Next Gen Superb - 17/2/15

[OilBurna]

Which tune APR? Didn't realise the Skoda has 30nm less torque than the R assume tune will fix that


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[OilBurna]

280kw would be nice to go A45 and HSV hunting


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[OilBurna]

first recall...

Skoda Superb Wagon Recalled For Sunroof Safety - Joins Volkswagen Passat Wagon

[donweather]

You'll get the same result as a stage 1 Mk7 R / S3 with a tune. Expect 270-280kW from stage 1 tune.

But isn't the DSG a limiting factor on the maximum tuned torque values of the 206kW TSI superb?

[brenno]

Entry level prices for Skoda wagon range:

Fabia - $17140
Octavia - $23990
Superb - $41690

They've missed an opportunity to correctly position the Superb range. That, and the lack of options means I'll give it a miss for the moment.

[dArK5HaD0w]

But isn't the DSG a limiting factor on the maximum tuned torque values of the 206kW TSI superb?

the dsg is not a limiting factor, specially if both are running the same engine and transmission.
its just a marketing gimic to uphold brand creed.

they did the same thing with the mk6 golf gti and the mk2 Octavia rs.
same engine, same transmission, however:-
GTi = 155 kW
RS = 147 kW

Stage 1 APR/Revo/etc etc tune brings both to the same level.

[donweather]

the dsg is not a limiting factor, specially if both are running the same engine and transmission.
its just a marketing gimic to uphold brand creed.

they did the same thing with the mk6 golf gti and the mk2 Octavia rs.
same engine, same transmission, however:-
GTi = 155 kW
RS = 147 kW

Stage 1 APR/Revo/etc etc tune brings both to the same level.

I thought the safe torque level of the DQ250 was around the 400Nm level whilst most Stage 1 tunes of the Mk 7 Golf R (same engine as the 206 TSI) go well beyond this?

[tigger73]

I thought the safe torque level of the DQ250 was around the 400Nm level whilst most Stage 1 tunes of the Mk 7 Golf R (same engine as the 206 TSI) go well beyond this?

The Mk7 R stage 1 tunes have been out for a year or so now. The only complaints have been from those with manuals that they're frying the stock clutches - tuning significantly shortens the life. No reported problems (as far as I'm aware) with the 6 speed DSG. If you're concerned I'd also recommend a DSG tune to increase clamping rates/pressures.

[Ozsko]

Entry level prices for Skoda wagon range:

Fabia - $17140
Octavia - $23990
Superb - $41690

They've missed an opportunity to correctly position the Superb range. That, and the lack of options means I'll give it a miss for the moment.

Can you please expand on that as most I have spoken to think Skoda for once have done something right.

[OilBurna]

What is the issue with the lack of options, it is well equipped as standard and has the two option packs plus sunroof? Can't think of anything missing.

[brenno]

What I'm saying is that there is too far a gap between the Octavia and Superb ranges. If you were an Octavia owner looking to upsize, you would be looking at quite a large jump in price. Skoda could have bridged the gap with a more affordable model.

As for the options, yes it is well equipped, but if you wanted to pick and choose options as you see fit and as is allowed in other markets, then you are out of luck. If for instance you wanted a vehicle fitted just with ACC you are forced to spend $4700 and have other items you really don't want added in. It's not a flexible offering. It's reducing the option for the consumer.

[Ozsko]

What I'm saying is that there is too far a gap between the Octavia and Superb ranges. If you were an Octavia owner looking to upsize, you would be looking at quite a large jump in price. Skoda could have bridged the gap with a more affordable model.

As for the options, yes it is well equipped, but if you wanted to pick and choose options as you see fit and as is allowed in other markets, then you are out of luck. If for instance you wanted a vehicle fitted just with ACC you are forced to spend $4700 and have other items you really don't want added in. It's not a flexible offering. It's reducing the option for the consumer.

Every VW car sold is like that in Oz, the option packs are what VW make the money on and are weirdly configured to make the buyer spend money on stuff he never would if given the choice. As for the gap, the RS Octavia overlaps the Superb in price and the top option 110TSI Octavia is well into the 30's. I have been procastinating about what to buy for twelve months, I hate buying cars as they are a complete waste of money and if I am going to buy one I want to enjoy it. The new Superb and the RS Octavia attract me for different reasons and now am totally confused. I like the new technology of the Superb, I don't like the size but then it is only 200mm longer than the Octavia so that should not make much difference. The 206 is out of my self imposed budget so it will be the 160 if it happens. I first want to see how much the performance of my TDI Superb is affect by the recall before doing anything.

[aware]

What I'm saying is that there is too far a gap between the Octavia and Superb ranges. If you were an Octavia owner looking to upsize, you would be looking at quite a large jump in price. Skoda could have bridged the gap with a more affordable model.

As for the options, yes it is well equipped, but if you wanted to pick and choose options as you see fit and as is allowed in other markets, then you are out of luck. If for instance you wanted a vehicle fitted just with ACC you are forced to spend $4700 and have other items you really don't want added in. It's not a flexible offering. It's reducing the option for the consumer.

Isn't that the point of Audi though? Options to tick everywhere you look.

There's also a lot of other issues at play - if you're looking at a Superb you're probably not in your mid-20s and would therefore potentially have some more cash to play with, if it's the family car it's very easy to justify the added benfits ofof the rest of the tech pack. You're only looking at a big price jump if you buy a white, 110TSI Ambition Manual Octavia with no options at all. If I bought the base Superb Estate now it's only ~ $10k more than I paid for an Ambition Plus Wagon last month with a couple of options ticked. I'm 24 - by the time I'd need the added carrying capacity of the Superb (which hopefully won't be for 5 years), then the price jump really doesn't seem that massive. I don't see a problem with their pricing strategy.

[tigger73]

What I'm saying is that there is too far a gap between the Octavia and Superb ranges. If you were an Octavia owner looking to upsize, you would be looking at quite a large jump in price. Skoda could have bridged the gap with a more affordable model.

Skoda has run the 132TSI (1.8l turbo) Superb through certification, however it wasn't in the range on launch.

I am guessing this would be more what you'd be looking at as an entry level option. If they did this with cloth trim, 132TSI engine, 7 speed DSG then you'd be looking more low-mid $30's as an entry point.

They have this model option in the Passat range (cloth interior, 1.8l engine, 7 speed DSG). It does leave you scratching your head if VW/Skoda has tipped the tables here on the Passat/Superb. It's quite strange.

[brenno]

If they did this with cloth trim, 132TSI engine, 7 speed DSG then you'd be looking more low-mid $30's as an entry point.

Exactly. Imagine if they had the foresight to bring in a 110TSI with a manual gearbox. I note with interest the compliance sheet also included 16 inch wheels.