Looking to buy Jetta Soon

[Rawcpoppa]

Looking to buy Jetta Soon

Ziggy why on Earth did you buy a Jetta if it is second in quality to practically everything else in the market according to you? I understand you're upset about the mechatronic issues but now you make it seem like the entire car is rubbish when it isn't.

People throw around this level of plastics like it is truth. You make it seem like we got the American jetta with extra hard surfaces when this is clearly not the case. The mark 5 jetta had like one extra soft surface on the door. One.

What would you change about this shot?




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[Joesama]

Hmm...
There is no doubt about it that Jetta and MK7 Golf Interior is very nice.
That's what got me very attracted in the first place. Whats there not to like about the picture above?
Infact I think its very nice.

In regards to i30, Ive got the 1.8l Petrol version. Not a bad engine. Also, the 6 speed auto gearbox is very smooth.
I cant compare the power of the car to the 118TSI or 90TSI as its got a very good torque in the first place.
i30 Torque is below 200Nm. I think it was 178 or something. So it is definitely a slower machine. But it drives very well.
One thing though.. Seems like the car wants to rev up quick at the start. I think its something to do with trying to get into that best power bend.

joe....

[Rawcpoppa]

Looking to buy Jetta Soon

Thanks for the info. Do you mean quick to rev high on startup when the car is "cold"?


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[muli]

Re: Looking to buy Jetta Soon

Right. Thanks for all the input guys.
Seems like the fate has been sealed not to get the Jetta.
Cerato is looking to be a good contender. But I think currently Im leaning towards more on i30 Elite. Otherwise, Honda Civic VTi-LN is a good alternative at the moment. Poor VW. It had everything I could have ever wanted in terms of technology. Brought down by the gearbox...

joe...

Did you test drive all the cars?

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[Joesama]

No.. It seems to do that all the time even if the engine is cold.

Yes.. I did all the test drives. It was exhausting in the end.

joe...

[ziggyboy]

Ziggy why on Earth did you buy a Jetta if it is second in quality to practically everything else in the market according to you? I understand you're upset about the mechatronic issues but now you make it seem like the entire car is rubbish when it isn't.

People throw around this level of plastics like it is truth. You make it seem like we got the American jetta with extra hard surfaces when this is clearly not the case. The mark 5 jetta had like one extra soft surface on the door. One.

What would you change about this shot?

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I think you're misunderstanding what I said. Re-read my post.

I didn't say it has the worst build quality around. I said it had the worst build quality among the VW range next to the Up. Are you saying that the Jetta has EQUAL build quality to a Golf or Passat? We're not talking reliability, we're talking quality of interior parts. The Jetta is cheaper to make than the Passat and Golf. Like I said, it is no secret. There is a reason why it's cheaper, not because VW just decided so, but because they use slightly cheaper parts than the cars I have mentioned.

When I bought the car I knew I wasn't buying a Passat or Golf. What is wrong with that?

I think the MK6 Jetta has better interior quality than an i30 or previous model Civic, but I don't think it has better interiors than the Golf or Passat. And with regards to your pic, I agree the front looks good. What I am a bit so-so about are the doors. The panels feel flimsy to me.

[Rawcpoppa]

I think you're misunderstanding what I said. Re-read my post.

I didn't say it has the worst build quality around. I said it had the worst build quality among the VW range next to the Up. Are you saying that the Jetta has EQUAL build quality to a Golf or Passat? We're not talking reliability, we're talking quality of interior parts. The Jetta is cheaper to make than the Passat and Golf. Like I said, it is no secret. There is a reason why it's cheaper, not because VW just decided so, but because they use slightly cheaper parts than the cars I have mentioned.

When I bought the car I knew I wasn't buying a Passat or Golf. What is wrong with that?

I think the MK6 Jetta has better interior quality than an i30 or previous model Civic, but I don't think it has better interiors than the Golf or Passat. And with regards to your pic, I agree the front looks good. What I am a bit so-so about are the doors. The panels feel flimsy to me.

Fair enough, you say that it is the worst in the VW range second only to the Up.

I still disagree with that due to the fact that the mk6 Jetta and the mk6 Golf share the exact same interior. Of course a Jetta is cheaper to build than a Passat due to it being a smaller car for one. Two the Passat actually has a different interior to the mk6 Golf and Jetta. Dare I say the Jetta is not cheaper to make than the mk6 Golf (Not talking about the american Jetta here but the euro ones sold worldwide). The Golf is priced higher in Australia due to the fact that the Golf is in higher demand than the Jetta as evidenced by sales data and also the limited traffic in this section of the forum when compared to the mk6 Golf section.





Both of the images above are from golf mk6 interiors. The 2nd pic is exactly how my interior is made up save for a different cup holder in the Golf vs my Jetta and the fact that the Golf is a manual. The door trim and design is the same.

I will admit the GTI or Golf R have nicer interiors but to say the mk6 Jetta interior is lower to that than an equal spec mk6 Golf is wrong in my opinion.

By your own admission you say you believe that the mk6 Jetta has better interiors than the i30 and civic and I think that is what the other posters were saying in terms of "classes" apart from the differences between hatches and sedans. I'm sure they also meant the mk6 Golf was in a different class to the i30 and civic. Even more so with the mk7 golf.

[ziggyboy]

My take on build quality is that it is half actual components and half "general feel".

I felt the Jetta had a better build feel than the i30 and Civic I sat on, but it is not like I did a part for part audit on which ones are plastic, which are soft, and which components are more brittle. I did not audit individual interior parts when I sat on cars, I just sat on them, test driven them, and fiddled with the various things inside. I think you know what I'm talking about. Photos do not mean much, even looking at an interior from the outside. Looking great is different to what it feels like while you're in it.

I wasn't alone in my assessment of the Jetta's interior versus the Golf. I had a few of my friends agree with me that the Golf seem to be better built then the Jetta.

I chose the Jetta because I preferred a sedan, and dealers are much more willing to discount prices on the Jetta than the Golf. The Golf is already more expensive than the equivalent specced Jetta, but dealers are willing to give bigger discounts on the Jetta. This means that the gap between the Jetta's and Golf's driveaway prices was too big to ignore. That said, I think it was better value than the Golf because it was newer (than the MK6 then) yet pound for pound it was cheaper.

[Rawcpoppa]

Point noted on the "feel" but I'd really be surprised if the price tag didn't influence this "feel".

Take a look in the Golf forums as well. They are afflicted with the exact same issues as Jetta owners in terms of creaking and sounds interior wise. The pictures were to show that the interiors are the same. Not saying I expect anyone to go through ETKA and see if the part numbers match but really it goes a long way to show how close the cars really are.

[Mountainman]

and many people prefer handbrakes to the electric park brake.

Well here's one that doesn't. I will never have to touch the park brake again in my mk7 Golf. It comes on and releases automatically every time and I leave the auto hill holder function on all the time too. What I do now have to watch is that I don't try to drive away in our Forester with the handbrake on. I can't see what's not to like about it other than the seat belt must be on and the doors closed to move the car. Big deal. The convenience of never having to think about the park brake far outweighs that.