Another Qld Dyno Day?

[Bug_racer]

There will be another dyno day here in Sydney in March , Guy is welcome to come down and do another run .

There were 8 cars running ... chipped Golf GTI made 150.2kw atw right before Guy's run. More than 10 people (other than Guy and the dyno operator) saw the run and only 3 were APR customers to some extent so no benefit in lying. (Even a bogan in VZ V8 Commodore that almost fainted when he saw the figures ...LOL)

I suspect the temp probe was touching something it should not have as nothing was melting and the run was clean. So no B/S here I'm afraid.

I'm sure Guy will be able to reproduce this (and more) at any dyno you care to nominate. He was estimating another 30whp as probable with some more fine tuning.

[RhysQ]

Im sorry but Im realistic , the dyno is b/s and Im happy to give people a quick run down on how a dyno works and how you can change factors to make power thats not actually there .

i'd hope you don't do that often!

i'm not really knowledgable in dyno's but i really couldn't imagine guy or the operator 'fudging' results for the purpose, as johan said, of mainly non APR customers.

does that mean Jon's 120.5 atw on the same day in a chipped Polo GTI is B/S and too high. seems pretty low compared to everyone else in a chipped Polo (like me who got 122.2kW and 123.8kW on different dyno's on different days).

lastly, hasn't guy done work to the golf since the sydney dyno day??

[572]

does that mean Jon's 120.5 atw on the same day in a chipped Polo GTI is B/S and too high. seems pretty low compared to everyone else in a chipped Polo (like me who got 122.2kW and 123.8kW on different dyno's on different days).

Mine was purely temperture related. Not sure what your inlet air temp was on those runs but I topped 83deg due to the heatsoaked side mount. FMIC will cure that as both the other Polo's were down in the 40's.

[RhysQ]

Mine was purely temperture related. Not sure what your inlet air temp was on those runs but I topped 83deg due to the heatsoaked side mount. FMIC will cure that as both the other Polo's were down in the 40's.

i have my reults at home somewhere, i'll have to have a look tonight and let you know.

[Guy_H]

Seb,

I know you have a problem any APR car runs on a dyno any where in the world - As I mentioned last time you raised this - ring the dyno operator and ask your questions!

If we want to "rig" dyno's, why would we go to a public dyno day, in front of a dozen onlookers, in 37 degree heat, and let everybody see the tie down method, the operators run it (on a screen for all to see) ?

We have already been to Sydney and run on a dyno there - where else do we have to prove it - you want us to go to Darwin & then Tasmania? - Face it, the car ran 300 wkw on production parts, race gas & production software, - anyone can buy this kit off the shelf & do the same thing.

FFS its a track car, it now runs 4 degrees negative camber in the front, huge brakes, big rims. I am not overly concerned what it makes on the dyno (although 400+ whp is a nice bonus) - I am interested in what lap times it is capable of at Queensland Raceway, Morgan Park, Mount Cotton & Lakeside.

We really went to the dyno day to help out Dave Mack with numbers to make the event worthwhile - and instead of saying "thanks" to those who run an event, you come on & bag everyones results.

Oh - FYI, the results ran on the Polo & GTI with chip only are within 1.5 % of every other Polo / GTI run with chip only on that same dyno. And we have seen at least a dozen of each now.

[gtimk5]

Here we wont go again! Whenever figures are posted up here then the squabbling starts. Not going to happen here again. Glad we dont have half a dozen different tuners on here disputing the dyno readings all the time.
Its all there on the print out, Congratulations Guy, I must have a drive of it with all the extra mods mate.
To others, Get over it!!!
Andrew

[Bug_racer]

Its a lie and you promote it . There is evidence in dyno tampering with excessive intake air temps . This has been done before and it seems nobody learns from this !

Here we wont go again! Whenever figures are posted up here then the squabbling starts. Not going to happen here again. Glad we dont have half a dozen different tuners on here disputing the dyno readings all the time.
Its all there on the print out, Congratulations Guy, I must have a drive of it with all the extra mods mate.
To others, Get over it!!!
Andrew

[DaveMack]

Let's not forget, Seb ... you were invited to this meet and could well have been standing there watching the result. Your "B/S" call is pure sour grapes.

Dave

[Bug_racer]

Is it now .

So your willing to say that a standard gt28 can flow that much air on a 2.0tfsi that it makes more power than what even Garret claims ?

Let's not forget, Seb ... you were invited to this meet and could well have been standing there watching the result. Your "B/S" call is pure sour grapes.

Dave

[RhysQ]

Its a lie and you promote it . There is evidence in dyno tampering with excessive intake air temps . This has been done before and it seems nobody learns from this !

jon posted it and then deleted it because he obviously doesn't want to become a target but he said that the temp sensor definitely wasn't fixed properly on that run because on the next run it fell out, now that's some smart tampering!

geez, talk about brand jealousy... it's the last thing i expected from this thread, it shouldn't happen.

[Bug_racer]

And yeah I was really going to come up when the wife just had a baby

Let's not forget, Seb ... you were invited to this meet and could well have been standing there watching the result. Your "B/S" call is pure sour grapes.

Dave

[Bug_racer]

If the sensor fell out then IT and AT should almost be identical , not some 200 deg difference !

jon posted it and then deleted it because he obviously doesn't want to become a target but he said that the temp sensor definitely wasn't fixed properly on that run because on the next run it fell out, that's some smart tampering!

geez, talk about brand jealousy... it's the last thing i expected from this thread, it shouldn't happen.

[572]

Guy, wasn't that the dyno's temp sensor that fell out on the second run? Could have been reading engine bay ambient temp.

[Bug_racer]

Im sorry but I fail to beleive that a car that made 215 here in Sydney , 230 odd up there in Queensland can all of a sudden make 300 kw with only race fuel and a slight retune

[Bug_racer]

Here is a more reasonable dyno chart for stage 3 kit from APR :

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3761751