MK6 Golf - The R32 is dead .... but a GTI-R LIVES !!!!

[Volvo Driver]

Also, drags are the worst form of motorsport. Who'd want a fast drag car for their street car?

Sigged. hehe

[Pumpe-Düse]

Also, drags are the worst form of motorsport. Who'd want a fast drag car for their street car?

Real roads have corners, AWD is the only way to get that much power to the ground reliably while turning.

Better not tell that to anyone with a Corvette Z06, Porsche 911 GT3 or GT2, Ferrari F430, Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, Ferrari Enzo, Maserati MC12, Porsche Carrera GT, Koenigsegg CCXR, McLaren F1, Lotus Exige 240R etc etc.

AWD is actually worse (then RWD) when it comes to very high performance vehicles on paved surfaces.

Also, up to a certain point, Front Engine FWD is better then Front Engine AWD. Similar grip levels with less driveline losses.

[VW GTI]

Better not tell that to anyone with a Corvette Z06, Porsche 911 GT3 or GT2, Ferrari F430, Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, Ferrari Enzo, Maserati MC12, Porsche Carrera GT, Koenigsegg CCXR, McLaren F1, Lotus Exige 240R etc etc.

Correct, sorry, I was referring to VAG cars, of which none are RWD (except some concepts). So between FWD and AWD, AWD wins.

[dubbed]

Also, drags are the worst form of motorsport. Who'd want a fast drag car for their street car?

Drags are the best way of determining how fast and powerful a car is (trap speed). Nothing informs people better about differences that particular performance modifications have made before and after.

Real roads have corners, AWD is the only way to get that much power to the ground reliably while turning.

You better tell Ferrari, Pagani, Koeniggsegg, Aston Martin etc they're doing something wrong

EDIT: Dammit I was beaten. I didn't check the next page!

[VW GTI]

Drags are the best way of determining how fast and powerful a car is (trap speed). Nothing informs people better about differences that particular performance modifications have made before and after.

No, it's the best way of seeing how they go in a straight line... What about braking and cornering etc?

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No, it's the best way of seeing how they go in a straight line... What about braking and cornering etc?

I said performance, not handling.

[VW GTI]

I said performance, not handling.

So you've narrowed all performance down to straight line?

[Pumpe-Düse]

No, it's the best way of seeing how they go in a straight line... What about braking and cornering etc?

He's right. Drag racing (ET & Trap Speed) best shows a car's outright power.

[Pumpe-Düse]

Also...

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=47deec37c4cec&car2=459bb03276e82

Here's some AWD getting beaten by FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=462a1e733dcec&car2=48010c7661c3b

Some more AWD losing to FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=4629d358f03bf&car2=458d141445bc7

Even more AWD losing to FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=4886c2337c47d&car2=458d43aceab07

And why not some more AWD losing to FWD.

[VW GTI]

Post all the videos of FWD losing to AWD.

[RhysQ]

Also...

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=47deec37c4cec&car2=459bb03276e82

Here's some AWD getting beaten by FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=462a1e733dcec&car2=48010c7661c3b

Some more AWD losing to FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=4629d358f03bf&car2=458d141445bc7

Even more AWD losing to FWD.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=4886c2337c47d&car2=458d43aceab07

And why not some more AWD losing to FWD.

HAHAHAHA.....i like it how you've compared them all to WRX's, a car that has always had such a crap mushy suspension setup that significantly decreases its cornering abilities. these FWD cars you have picked have far superior suspension setups and in turn, superior cornering abilites. i have the latest edition of Motor magazine doing the BFYB08. both the new model WRX and STI had rubbish lap times compared to thier competition due to rubbish suspension.

We are comparing two Golf's here my friend, not random hatches vs sedans!

your comparisons are about as useful as comparing a FWD Honda City Turbo II to a 911 Turbo AWD.....well, they are both turbo

Cheers,
Rhys

[Pumpe-Düse]

HAHAHAHA.....i like it how you've compared them all to WRX's, a car that has always had such a crap mushy suspension setup that significantly decreases its cornering abilities. these FWD cars you have picked have far superior suspension setups and in turn, superior cornering abilites. i have the latest edition of Motor magazine doing the BFYB08. both the new model WRX and STI had rubbish lap times compared to thier competition due to rubbish suspension.

We are comparing two Golf's here my friend, not random hatches vs sedans!

your comparisons are about as useful as comparing a FWD Honda City Turbo II to a 911 Turbo AWD.....well, they are both turbo

Cheers,
Rhys

You've conveniantley ignored the Golf R32 vs Megane R26 time. You'll also notice that the Megane R26R vs WRX STi is the old shape STi not the new one that you mention.

However you've hit the nail on the head without me having to go into it any further - suspension.

More important then drive type is suspension & chassis.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45c75e440994c&car2=4886c2337c47d

Here's an EVO 7 losing to a Megane R26R. You're going to try and tell me Evo's are crap too, right?

I'm replying to a blanket statement that FWD is worse then AWD. It's not true.

[VW GTI]

I'm replying to a blanket statement that FWD is worse then AWD. It's not true.

Find a video of a car with EXACT same specs apart from AWD/FWD and the same driver around the same track.

You're comparing cars that are completely different and who knows what they've had done to them.

I was just saying, AWD will always get better traction than a FWD, in some cases it is too much traction and it slows them.

[Golf Houso]

That R26 is something else, I'm seriously considering getting a used 225 of some kind as a next car...

The new WRX is a questionable car to say the least, why it performs in such a way I'm still unsure of, what I am sure of is they're trying to break into the euro hot-hatch and premium hatch market, and aren't doing all that well at it

[Pumpe-Düse]

Find a video of a car with EXACT same specs apart from AWD/FWD and the same driver around the same track.

You're comparing cars that are completely different and who knows what they've had done to them.

I was just saying, AWD will always get better traction than a FWD, in some cases it is too much traction and it slows them.

The reason AWD's get slowed isn't too much traction. It is first the increased driveline losses meaning less power gets to the ground & second the increased weight, meaning a slower car.

I don't know of an FWD vs AWD with the exact same specs to compare off the top of my head, the closest is Golf GTI vs R32 which share chassis and suspension geometry, but the significantly more powerful R32 always wins because of the extra power. I'd bet money that if you got another 147kW GTI and added to it the R32's AWD setup (adding easily 100kg to the weight of the car), it would be slower then the FWD model.