Polo 1.6 TDI Emissions.

[HenryJr]

Hahahahahahahaha, 100% bluff, how the hell will they know if it's "been fixed"? The States aren't going to test every individual car, so they will rely on "paperwork", not physical effect. Just tick the box and it's done.

Id imagine all VW cars effected you will have to goto the VicRoads or equiv and produce the paperwork to say its been fixed. You think that VW are going to forge those papers without doing the work as well?

[amazeer]

The US has stricter standards than euro standards which I think we use. Do we even know if they meet our levels or not? Genuine question, not implying either way.

Why would they need to change anything other than software? Didnt they cheat the test by simply having the ECU know whether it was on a dyno? I would think that if there is any way possible to fix it with a quick/cheap flash there is no way that they will spend hours and money replacing parts.

In the end I still say its not a big deal for the consumer. It was naughty to cheat and lie to the government, but... emissions arent static. They will get better or worse depending on how the car is driven, the quality of the fuel, the number of kms on the engine. You could get "the fix" and still not comply. And its a ppm value so while it might exceed the limit it will still be pumping out a lot less NOx than all the diesel utes, 4x4s etc. Its ironic to me that this was discovered in the US where their top selling "cars" are Ford F series, Chev Silverado and Dodge Ram.

[Vex]

Everyone keeps saying the resale on all VW will go downhill including the guy in the video... Does that include the petrol GTi and R variants.. ?

[Hail22]

Everyone keeps saying the resale on all VW will go downhill including the guy in the video... Does that include the petrol GTi and R variants.. ?

The only way it'll effect the resale value of petrol models if the share price continues to drop, consumer sentiment remains negative, the solution Volkswagen provides doesn't pass the "sniff test".

I fear it'll more broadly effect the entire brand meaning:

- VW
- Audi
- Porsche (remote possibility)
- Skoda
- SEAT (Not in Australia)
- Ducati (owned by Audi, but for now remains highly unlikely)

[alexaescht]

I fear it'll more broadly effect the entire brand meaning:

- VW
- Audi
- Porsche (remote possibility)
- Skoda
- SEAT (Not in Australia)
- Ducati (owned by Audi, but for now remains highly unlikely)

Bugatti has supposedly paused all work on the Veyron replacement (Chiron) too

[Sydneykid]

Id imagine all VW cars effected you will have to goto the VicRoads or equiv and produce the paperwork to say its been fixed. You think that VW are going to forge those papers without doing the work as well?

Other than for driving licence renewals I haven't been to an RMS office for about 10 years and I have 6 cars, everything is handled on line these days. They simply don't have the capacity to handle 90,000+ face to face contacts to check paperwork. Safety recalls are surely more important than emissions, has anyone ever had to take their paperwork in to prove that the safety recall has been done? I have 2 cars currently with airbag recalls outstanding, haven't had any problem registering them online. It's just not going to happen over what is after all a minor emissions issue, not a safety issue, no on is going to die if their recall isn't done.


Cheers
Gary

[gavs]

May I just add....

http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/f128/polo-gti-high-oil-usage-discussion-thread-57967.html

This one thread which was started almost 5 years ago has over 216 pages of information on JUST THE 6R POLO GTI on how it burns too much oil.

If you are surprised that there has been dodgy stuff coming out of the tailpipes of VW's that is being masked in the diesels and VW have been getting away with it, I don't know how you are all surprised. Think about what is coming out of the tailpipes of all the oil-burning Petrol TSi engines.....

[maxrob200]

If the current emissions conform to Aust standards, then the dodgy software is not going to matter if it is not compliant with US rules over here. VW Aust may simply recode new software without the dodgy US stuff in it for local cars. It would be interesting to see if the US VW CEO is aware of the dodgy software since it was primarily coded to slip under US emissions rules. Also, if Mk 7 Tdi variants are not part of the dodgy software, is it because there has been a workaround using AD Blue Urea filtering.

[alexaescht]

If the current emissions conform to Aust standards, then the dodgy software is not going to matter if it is not compliant with US rules over here. VW Aust may simply recode new software without the dodgy US stuff in it for local cars. It would be interesting to see if the US VW CEO is aware of the dodgy software since it was primarily coded to slip under US emissions rules. Also, if Mk 7 Tdi variants are not part of the dodgy software, is it because there has been a workaround using AD Blue Urea filtering.

My understanding is that the Mk7 Golf diesels (which are Euro 6 compliant, over the Euro 5 of the ones in the Mk6 Golf and current Polo) are a complete new generation of engine which can comply with emissions, while the Euro 5 ones weren't developed very well and the only way they could easily pass tests was to cheat with code. Not entirely sure how the Eu6 engines do it, but I know they have an entirely new gen of DPF and cat converter etc.