So I went to a fair trading seminar

[Transporter]

not being too literal at all smok3y, merely stating that if a manfacturer makes a claim in an advert, it must back it up.

SAAB 900 GOES 'ROUND THE WORLD' IN LESS THAN EIGHT DAYS!

Subaru did similar, with 3 of their Liberty turbo (production line) and went 100,000km nonstop (refueling and tyre swap only) at max speed (over 220km/h). I think it took them 3 weeks. All 3 finished without brake down.

[Corey_R]

Saab have a long history with Talladega Superspeedway. They've even had a "Saab Talladega" model at one point.

I LOVE that place.....

A 2.66 miles long (4.28km) "tri-oval" Super Speedway with seating for 175,000 seats for fans


33 degree banking in the corners and wide enough for "4 wide" racing means they're about 5 stories tall.



"Open wheelers" such as Indycars and F1 were never able to run there because the track is so fast. Stock cars (NASCAR) had to put "restrictor plates" on the engines to half their horsepower after 1987 as they couldn't figure out any other way to keep the cars on the ground if they got sideways when they were running lap averages of 212mph (341km/h).

But even after that, they still have the occasional trouble keeping the cars on the ground...


There were two NASCAR races there last year. The first one had 88 lead changes during the 500 mile race. The second race had 87 passes. In NASCAR "lead changes" statistics are ONLY counted at the start-finish line (so two or more cars can swap for the lead during a lap, and it's not counted if the same person is back leading again by the start finish line). According to Formula One, their record is 82 on-track passes for the entire field.

A combination of a recent resurfacing of the track, the drivers getting better at "bump drafting", and the mechanics figuring out how to cool the cars with little air coming in the front, has caused a "new style of racing" called the "Two-car-tandem" to occur this year:


The drivers "pair off" and literally "lock bumpers" and push each other around the entire track for practically the entire race. Two cars locked together can run at up to ~200mph, whereas a single car on its own can only run at ~175mph and a "pack" can only do ~188mph. They've taken to greasing up the front and rear bumpers so that the wind bufferting from runing close to other cars doesn't the rear car to "grab" at the front car's rear bumper and spin it around so easily... it's a rather strange spectacle to see 40+ cars paired off and racing line that...

[gareth_oau]

ahh smok3y, both SAAB and Subaru does it, yet you believe its perfectly acceptable for them to do this as advertising fluff only, and as consumers, we shouldnt believe this nonsense, and accept that cars are only built to do 100kph (in australia) and not the 240+ that their adverts tell us they can do?

[Ideo]

The issue I have is to do with it being legislated.

Once it is legislated then the defintions of certain words are important.

If you fall ever so slightly outside of those narrow definitions then you are in trouble.

For example - if driver training states something along the lines of "activities performed at a skidpan or racetrack that are untimed and designed to improve a drivers skill level" and the definition of racetrack is limited to a "circuit at which timed motor racing events are held" and a skidpan is defined as "a large surfaced area that is capable of being dampened and is used for the purposes of driver training" then technically any work done at a driver training location such as Marulan Driver Training Centre may not be covered as it is neither a skidpan (although such a facility may be an ancillary component of the main use of the site) or a race track, as per the definitions.