Nitrogen in tires

[kimmik]

only if the "fact" came from someone trustible

[Corey_R]

then what are you doing at an internet forum?

This isn't the topic of this thread, which is why I didn't bother going into a long spiel about the topic further, giving links and listing the facts. If you're actually interested, do a search on nitrogen, find the thread, then go to the links that are present to get the facts from trustable sources.

There are damn good reasons that every single races team, and trucking company, use nitrogen. wai mentioned several of the reasons, but in my "opinion" (based on my own use of nitrogen, plus the links and facts in the thread, and even watching a few 30 minute tv programs on Speed TV hosted by top racing engineers on this very topic, lol) wai, like many people, under estimates the usefulness for every day road use, over estimates the issue of the existing air, and having to top up.

Having said that... I do think that the price they charge for Nitrogen at most tyre shops is too much...

[kimmik]

googled "nitrogen tyre"

RAQV came up first. i believe what they wrote.

[Corey_R]

lol... I've never seen so many "probablys" and "mays" and "likelys" in the one article in my life. You'd think if they were giving advice from their authoritive position they could've been bothered to actually do some testing themselves

They do at least mention several reasons why the benefits are "likely, probably maybe" true. It's just that they obviously haven't bothered testing. lol

Oh well... you can believe them, I'll believe the experts who have continually shown benefits for the year after year now, despite having no financial interest in it (apart from saving themselves a lot of money).

[kimmik]

The sales man says, "this product WILL make the engine last twice as long!"

The doctor says, "this drug will LIKELY prevent a second heart attack"

I know who i will believe.

[Corey_R]

As I said dude... when the experts (race teams, automotive engineers, tyre manufacturers, and truck companies) are NOT trying to sell you the product, or receiving any benefit in its promotion, for what reason do they have to lie to you?

Your RACQ link (previously discussed in this thread, the actual nitrogen thread) admits the performance benefits at speed, the temp benefits under load, and the wear benefits under speed and load. So even though their summary of "using nitrogen in passenger car tyres may produce some benefits in some applications, it is questionable if the average motorist will derive any measurable benefit from its use" is only "questionable" because they haven't bothered doing any testing, I put this to you...

This forum is for VW enthusiasts, many of whom have "sports models" and decently powerful cars. These cars usually having "performance tyres" costing several hundred $ each. Even "Comfortline" Golf's and Passats often have these performance tyres (CSC2's 3's, Dunlop Sport Max, Bridgestone RE050's etc) So are members who fall into these categories really "average motorists" ?

And even if the benefit to these members is only minor, given the cost the stated cost of $5 per tyre for nitrogen, when you compare that to the $300 to $400 per tyre, I'd consider that pretty minor too.

[kimmik]

i'm sure you're aware, $300-400 tyres in australia sell for $150 or so in the states. as much as you think they're "awesomely special tyres worthy of the best gas", they're just tyres...

yes, my car wears CSC3. $320 each apparently. in the states, cost little over $100 each. they're just normal road tyres. the people driving on these tyres are not special because of them.

[Corey_R]

Well, depends on the size. Even from tirerack, $190 per tyre (F1A's, PSPs etc) and then $250 shipping, comes out to $1010
So again, $20 vs $1010... so again... big whoop.

[Lance B]

I'm sorry but it keeps annoying me tires is spelt tyres here in Australia, unless I'm mistaken.

Well, when you have worked hard are played hard your body tires out, but the black rubber things that you fill with air/nitrogen that you put on your wheels are tyres. If you are American/Canadian, then you spell it incorrectly.