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  • AutoSpeed - The Audi's DIY Boost Control - Part 1

    Like this? Yep makes sense. Cant find part 2 where they perfect it, but yeah I did do this a year or two ago. In part 2 they found that the pressure regulator was not exhausting residual boost fully and was trapping boost between itself and the wastegate. They ended up running a circuit (with a one way valve) back to the front of the pressure relief to sort this. I raided the pneumatics part bins at work and set it up and it worked great, but it was very bulky and hard to find the real estate to mount it. There will be a relic post I did on this forum maybe 2 years ago somewhere. Yeah you're dead right re the restrictor. That's what I was taught - that its ability to restrict is dependent on the rate of change of flow. That might be why it works so well at clipping the over boost peak when flow is fastest and changing rapidly but then has a diminishing effect later in the boost curve/load range/rev range where I guess it sort of hands ful control back the solenoid. I guess there is no reason why a pressure relief valve couldn't be placed in series before the boost control solenoid to guarantee that there is no premature wastegate cracking before the solenoid is absolutely needed.

    No I'd rather the boost curve that the 10psi spring gave any day. Such a little turbo and such small turbine boost will always fall away but the stiffer spring did help. The 7psi spring still has improved things over the diabolical stock one though. But until I learn how to log/tune with Nefmoto I'm bit of a prisoner of my generic flash tune and had to use hardware to match the software ie getting my actual boost to resemble the tunes specified/expected parameters. Tomorrow if its not wet i'll get out and start to add timing.

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    • Part 2 = AutoSpeed - The Audi's DIY Boost Control - Part 2

      I first saw this type of pneumatic boost control system on a turbo Porsche about 25 years ago. If I remember rightly it had a Bosch Motronic ECU that was water cooled because it got so hot running the engine. The Gibson Skylines had an Electromotive version that was also water cooled.

      Cheers
      Gary
      Golf Mk7.5 R, Volvo S60 Polestar, Skyline R32GTST

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      • glad you found part 2 - a good article for the records. Re the Porsche/skylines that's cool. May be archaic by todays standards but similar pneumatics fixed up my bosch Me7.5 managed MY2008 boost curve just fine for zero dollars. Since the bank owns my soul I'm pretty big on zero dollar fixes. Ive got to say when I did have those gizmo's fitted to my car it sounded pretty outrageous and looking back was the only way that ran my 12psi spring properly on the old car.

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        • Gary was great to see the Civic run. I saw you guys in the garage at about 2pm and it looked hectic so I left you to it. I took the kids over to the grand stand to see their reaction to a proper eardrum rattling standing start and they just lost it when the F3 race started. Justin was certainly carving through the field like Verstappen at Interlagos a couple of years ago which was great to watch from the roof. My son (7yo) said in the car on the way home that it was the best day of his life so maybe i'll have to get a Kart for him (me?!)

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          • Originally posted by sambb View Post
            My son (7yo) said in the car on the way home that it was the best day of his life so maybe i'll have to get a Kart for him (me?!)


            my girls all started motorkhanas when they were 12 - the eldest didn't like it and didn't want to stick with it, but the younger two love it
            and are itching for next weekend's event

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            • Yeah something I hope we'll do. I see so many double drive cars at the hillclimbs where its dad and son or dad and daughter or the dad is like the race engineer for the kid. Pretty cool. The funny ones are the double drives where the wife whips the husband - love it. The ribbing in the paddock is classic. Can you imagine having that thrown in your face!

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              • Originally posted by sambb View Post
                Yeah something I hope we'll do. I see so many double drive cars at the hillclimbs where its dad and son or dad and daughter or the dad is like the race engineer for the kid. Pretty cool. The funny ones are the double drives where the wife whips the husband - love it. The ribbing in the paddock is classic. Can you imagine having that thrown in your face!
                My wife won 2 x NSW State Motorkhana titles, I didn't win any.

                Cheers
                Gary
                Golf Mk7.5 R, Volvo S60 Polestar, Skyline R32GTST

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                • Originally posted by Sydneykid View Post
                  My wife won 2 x NSW State Motorkhana titles, I didn't win any.

                  Cheers
                  Gary
                  your wife is probably friends with a bunch of people I know.... you're not related to Cindy/Penny/Dean Cook are you?

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                  • A while back I'd talked about running pre turbo water injection. I want to run it pumpless in a boost pressurised config. Here's a couple of bench tests to help me build faith in it which I think worked out pretty well despite some leaky fittings. Droplet size is insanely small, literally a mist and way more consistent/smaller than my pumped 80psi system was with aquamist's smallest 0.4'C' 50cc nozzle. Next test will be to see how improved the droplet forming on the tube walls is when there's air rushing through the pipework simulating induction to the compressor.

                    YouTube
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                    post #167 on page 17 has the Julian Edgar diagram that I copied.
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                    Last edited by sambb; 19-03-2018, 11:16 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by simon k View Post
                      your wife is probably friends with a bunch of people I know.... you're not related to Cindy/Penny/Dean Cook are you?
                      Not that I know of, but my dad had 11 brothers and sisters, so I have Cook cousins and second cousins that I have never met.

                      Cheers
                      Gary
                      Golf Mk7.5 R, Volvo S60 Polestar, Skyline R32GTST

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                      • starting to be pretty well convinced that the SEAT sport FMIC is causing a decent pressure drop/flow restriction. A couple of things make me think this is the case. First is that somewhere I've 'lost' 20g/s of airflow through the MAF. The old car was sucking 190g/s even when it had the restrictive OEM muffler on there with the same tune, same turbo, same exhaust mani etc. The only thing that is different is that on this car I have the huge SEAT interccoler. Those 190 g/s numbers were with the standard SMIC that from Guy's flow testing in an old thread was shown to have next to no pressure drop compared to the forge and the SEAT despite having the same 50mm piping. His APR was close but didn't cool things quite as efficiently as the forge for example. So I was running a better flowing SMIC and took care of the temperature issues of that IC with a water spray, ducting etc. In addition it was a much shorter pipe run. Also, with the modded turbo on this car I'm not having to trim as much overboost out of it as I did before on the same spring, N75, tune etc. When I installed the modded turbo onto this car I fitted the restrictor I'd used last time and it brought the boost way down. That to me suggests that the turbo coupled with the better flowing SMIC was able to push bigger boost more easily as it had less flow restriction. With the SEAT IC though I've barely had to restrict it to get the boost into line. So what I'm thinking is to try a smaller IC that has slightly bigger piping that is a single pass but still has pipe exits in the stock direction.
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                        This is a BA/BF XR6 turbo IC. From what I can tell it'll bridge the bottom grille opening nicely. Its made by garret. It has 60mm piping rather than the tiny 50mm of the stock and SEAT units. They can be had for 50 bucks on ebay/gumtree and might be a cheap and relatively easy way to test whether pressure drop across the SEAT FMIC is robbing me of power. I'd get it flow tested first against the SMIC numbers posted up years ago. If it looks like a good flowing unit at the sort of air flow that the K03s pushes then it might be worth a fit up to see if the giant SEAT is infact a flow restriction to a little turbo like the K03s. Yes I could keep the SEAT in place and test the IC in versus out pressure bit I'd have to drill fittings for that anyway. Also I'd still have no basis for comparison of any numbers I'd get anyway.
                        Anyone familiar with these ford IC's know which is the intake and which is the outlet of the IC?

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                        • my bet is on the 180° bend at the top being the outlet, but I've asked on my car club's facebook page - bogan central on there... I like how cheap they are

                          here's someone selling TWO for $50!

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                          • yeah that's the ad I saw! cheap as chips hey. The other option is to convert to a single pass with a passenger side exit and go up between the headlight how Louis has with the Garret conversion. If a passenger side feed inlet manifold off a BAM coded audi S3 8L model could go onto the car then that would be a good way to go I reckon. I'm not sure if the fuel rail and injector heights etc are compatible though but it probably would. Anyone out there put an S3 inlet onto a BJX?

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                            • cant help myself. Now starting to think that a BAM inlet manifold (passenger side throttle body), with a water to air intercooler sitting beside the engine where the battery/airbox used to be. Might add a bit of weight but at least the weight would be back and to the light side of the engine bay. The inlet track would be less than a meter long (which plays about 3m as is) so I reckon you would be just about lagless. Bit of research to do regarding heat exchanger sizing, pump flow rates and how much water volume would be needed for it to remain cool during a track session but could be good.
                              Trouble is finding a quality dedicated water to air core for not an arm and a leg. Spewing I missed out on this one when it was going cheap!!!!! want to see what a Ferrari Formula 1 2014/2015 water to air intercooler looks like?: YouTube

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                              • I've been considering switching inlet sides, but probably going for an ie one
                                08 9n3 Polo GTI
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