Ottinger Chip

[Blitzen]

I didn't know there was a 75KW 1.4L. Ours is 55KW and the current model is 59KW.

Could that be the 1.6L?

Maris

Sorry, my bad...The REVO site lists it as a 1.4L 75PD bhp, but lists the chipped power output as 82KW...

[DubSteve]

for the money a chip costs, it is not worth doing a naturally aspirated car. the power gains are minimal.....sometimes only maybe 6 or 7kW.

LOL its usually about 8-12kw, and it depends on what you do!

[Celestine]

So our potential new Polo 1.6L auto is OK?

Its possible, but money vs kw/torque gains is not worth it. I originally spoke to Guy Harding (Harding Performance/APR) a while ago (as I too own a 1.6L), he said to me not to bother. The tune does exist, but you'll be getting about 6kw, and about 15~20nm's more torque for almost $1800. There are several other companies out there that do it - Angel Tuning in the UK, and Superchips have it as well.

I didn't know there was a 75KW 1.4L. Ours is 55KW and the current model is 59KW.Could that be the 1.6L?

I dont think so. My 1.6L is 77kw.

[Timbo]

-The Ottinger program is non switchable, Because...

-The Ottinger program is covered by the Volkswagen factory warranty.

-The price of the Ottinger tune also covers the warranty paperwork required buy VW Group to cover the car. So long as the car is still within its warranty period, the Ottinger program can be added and still covered as a factory option.

The full terms of the Oettinger "warranty" (which is really an insurance policy, where the applicable law is that of Switzerland ) can be found here. While I believe Guy is certainly trying to do the right thing here, I think it is a bit of a stretch to say "the Oettinger program is covered by the Volkswagen factory warranty"; it is more a case that if any damage occurs because of the Oettinger program, you'll be able to claim using the EUROPÄISCHE insurance, to a maximum damage repair value of approximately $AUD4,200.

Perhaps I am reading the wrong document, but I don't see anything in that document that reflects any acknowledgement of the "warranty" by VWA or its dealers. In order to claim, you'll need to go to the insurance company, not a VWA dealer.

As I said, notwithstanding the above, I reckon this is strong evidence of good intentions on Oettinger's behalf by Guy and HPA. But the reality is that any claim under the insurance policy will require proof that the Oettinger program was the casue of the damage. In this respect, I don't think the legal position is much different to the consumer rights we all have under the Trade Practices Act (where goods have to be fit for purpose, and skills/service must be undertaken with due care). Here's
a handy guide.

Of course, the Oettinger warranty is in addition to these statutory consumer warranty rights, and certainly mitigates the risk associated with a repair shop that has no financial backing to honour statutory warranty claims.

But a VWA factory warranty it ain't!

[Blitzen]

Guy was not the person I heard about the Ottinger warranty from, but from a number of VW dealers(3 VW dealers in NSW and NT), but he is the person I sought to confirm the claim. If the program was not covered in Australia as a protected VW item, why would the Ottinger purposefully go out there to claim that it was?
As well as providing the paperwork that goes along to compliment the warrenty for VW at extra cost to the installation process(If you take away the $250 for the additional warrenty paperwork, the Ottinger program is only $10 more expensive than the APR program that offers the same power and torque increase, so effectively Ottinger are digging themselves into a hole for charging more for a tune that has the same output as their main competitor).
This is what I was told, but I invite you to seek confirmation.

[VW GTI]

Oettinger has a document on their site about the warranty they offer, maybe read it?

[Timbo]

I'm not doubting what you have heard or might have been told, I'm just pointing out that the only document relating to this issue is that linked above from the oettinger.com.au site. Which is an insurance policy, not an extension to the VWA factory warranty. That might be comfort for you. However, if you ever had to rely on the document legally, the only evidence you have is the document, not the representations of various dealers

VWA offers no recognition of Oettinger or its products/services, so far as I am aware (eg, Google oettinger site:.volkswagen.com.au) I would welcome being corrected on this

[Blitzen]

I'm not doubting what you have heard or might have been told, I'm just pointing out that the only document relating to this issue is that linked above from the oettinger.com.au site. Which is an insurance policy, not an extension to the VWA factory warranty. That might be comfort for you. However, if you ever had to rely on the document legally, the only evidence you have is the document, not the representations of various dealers

VWA offers no recognition of Oettinger or its products/services, so far as I am aware (eg, Google oettinger site:.volkswagen.com.au) I would welcome being corrected on this

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude. I did read what Ottinger had to say about their warranty, but like I said, after being told about this from those various VW dealers, I thought I'd sought confirmation through Guy.

[Mischa]

75PD bhp, but lists the chipped power output as 82KW...

PD = pump duse = turbo diesel = better gains

[Guy_H]

Gent's - if you need to know more about the Oettinger warranty let me know. In March I had a meeting with Oettinger & the insurance company (In Germany) regarding the ins & outs of the coverage.

If you have a problem with a car, we get it diagnosed by a VW or Audi (or Skoda) dealer. If the problem is associated to the software, a claim is processed. There are limits on the repair costs, but when we went through all the figures, there is ample to cover repairs expected from a catastrophic failure of driveline components (and engine).

There is well in excess of a thousand cars covered under this warranty around the country, from Polo's to RS6's.

It is not officially endorsed by VW/ Audi / Skoda in Australia, & whilst the competition trading rules apply, it's unlikely it ever will (same with any other tune).

Unfortunately it costs money for the warranty & since the APR prices have just been reduced, the gap has widened slightly between theirs & the Oettinger warranted product.

Still, its well accepted & used in the market place, and pretty much every single day, a new car is registered with Oettinger warranty.

[poloplayer]

Is there an expected price drop on the oettinger chip too Guy??