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  • #46
    Just returning to the OP's question, although I haven't experienced it on the track, I would suggest that if you turn ESP off and, for example, lift off on the exit to a corner, you will certainly experience oversteer, probably spinning. I don't think the described override ESP (and I'm not sure what's there) is sufficient to protect you from that.

    As to the other issues, the Polo is fundamentally an understeering car, and in particular a power understeering car. When you chip these cars, you can exascerbate this, especially when the power comes on quite strongly and rapidly (see dyno chart). Chipping gives you are surge of power (in my case) from around 2,800 rpm....meaning a soft right foot is essential but often hard to achieve on some circuits

    That's why many have fitted RSBs, to counter the understeer. With these, you certainly feel the rear come around on lift-off, with ESP off. As to the ultimate situation, well, I haven't tried it, nor do I intend to, but I think I can guess
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Timbo View Post
      Just returning to the OP's question, although I haven't experienced it on the track, I would suggest that if you turn ESP off and, for example, lift off on the exit to a corner, you will certainly experience oversteer, probably spinning. I don't think the described override ESP (and I'm not sure what's there) is sufficient to protect you from that.

      As to the other issues, the Polo is fundamentally an understeering car, and in particular a power understeering car. When you chip these cars, you can exascerbate this, especially when the power comes on quite strongly and rapidly (see dyno chart). Chipping gives you are surge of power (in my case) from around 2,800 rpm....meaning a soft right foot is essential but often hard to achieve on some circuits

      That's why many have fitted RSBs, to counter the understeer. With these, you certainly feel the rear come around on lift-off, with ESP off. As to the ultimate situation, well, I haven't tried it, nor do I intend to, but I think I can guess
      Yea have the RSB, and it steps out.. but only for a fraction of a second before fixing itself... with all the posts maybe i'm just imagining it... its very noticable in the wet i think. Who knows anymore.

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      • #48
        Can definitely confirm the chipped understeer tendency (the empty roundabout scenario.) Very easy to control with the accellerator though. Sounds like a RSB would be nice regardless.

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        • #49
          Quote from Dean Sammut, experienced race driver:
          "Alan, got to admit your car is a bit of an animal, all that power going thru skinny front wheels with no LSD and a very touchy throttle..."

          (chipped Polo at Winton)

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          • #50
            Winton is quite an unpleasant circuit to drive in a FWD...with any power and no LSD
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Timbo View Post
              As to the ultimate situation
              The ultimate solution...that'd be Coilovers and an LSD, wouldn't it?

              I've never tried it in the Polo, but with sufficient aggression, you can provoke some lift-off oversteer in most FWD cars (think, Scandinavian Flick).

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