Anyone Running APR Stage 3+?

[mikepologti]

correct me if im wrong but i thaught the pog had trouble squeezing in the stage 3 apr set up? how are these guys in the uk , fitting them in?

[ScottishPoloGTI]

Dont think there has been one fitting to a Polo in th UK mate. There has been a couple of Seat Ibiza Mk4's that have had the IHI turbo kit fitted.

[Plautos]

correct me if im wrong but i thaught the pog had trouble squeezing in the stage 3 apr set up? how are these guys in the uk , fitting them in?

I didn't buy the APR set up, because I thought it won't fit...

Now, after my nightmare I'm pretty sure the APR exhaust manifold will fit.

The problem is in the pressurization tubes, intake, downpipe... all made to fit the Golf... I'm not sure if it will be plug'n'play in the Polo.

The APR kit is very complete, there is a video on YouTube explaining most of the kit components.

The only negative point that I saw is the software. In my case, I had to open the ECU and change the chip. It won’t accept direct port programming. You can see a parallel port over it.

Ohh.. Guess what! It didn’t work. I had to ship it to US to be checked… It will be back here in the next week.

My car is running with the APR k04 software.

[Jmac]

Parallel port allows you to tune with a BDM set up, vehicles from 2010 are going back to BDM set up, which is open ecu again like you have, will be around 12mnths before its back to serial flash, however im surprised that you cant on yours mate, whats the story there???
Cheers
Jmac

[h100vw]

Encryption board or something soldered on there Jimmy. Had this on The Krauts Passat. Had to fit another board with the software loaded on it.

Gavin

[Plautos]

Encryption board or something soldered on there Jimmy. Had this on The Krauts Passat. Had to fit another board with the software loaded on it.

Gavin

The dealer told me that the Stage3 software is older, more complex, this chip have space for only one programming and can’t be access through the cruise control.

I’m surprised it didn’t work. I think it is a hardware problem.

[Jmac]

Encryption board or something soldered on there Jimmy. Had this on The Krauts Passat. Had to fit another board with the software loaded on it.

Gavin

i can sort of see that on a Passat but not a Polo im sure you agree. Wonder how many are like that. Lots of the new stuff like i say has went backwards a little from serial to BDM again. where the Eeprom is there should be a row of parallel pins( female, this is wher the BDM spikes go to do the Zapping. Im very surprised at a POlo ecu having that drama.
Interesting
Jmac

[Guy_H]

Just wondering if anyone is running this on their Polo. Doesnt seem to be anyone here in the Uk got this kit on there Polo yet. Just looking for some info about it. Like if they are running standard internals? Awesome GTI (Uk main APR suppliers) say that this kit will be fine on standard internals. Its the 340bhp kit.

Regards Kenny

Correct, for street use, stock internals will handle stage 3+ if you are racing or going beyond these parameters (like race gas) then upgraded internals (minimum rods) would be good insurance.

Good to see you again mate.

Noting I know of, few Ko4-001's, a Ko4-025, lots of chipped Ko3's.

Have a look at the K04 thread close to this one, there is an interesting hybrid I found in there.

Not sure Stage 3 would be cost effective compared to sourcing parts and going to a different tune.

Not sure why there is no fuel pump, injectors, etc listed as required in stage 2 or 3 compared to some of the other tunes...?

Also, if it has not been done for a customer, APR may not have all the parts prepared for this project.

On the K04 kit, there is no requirement for extra fuel except the 4 bar fuel pressure regulator. The stage 3 kit requires a lot more fuel.

That right there summed up exactly why my Polo is only ever going to have its tune, plus the odd thing here or there as it needs replacing.

If you wanted a powerful turbo sports car than can handle, the better value for money is save the cash you would otherwise spend on mods on the Polo and just buy that EVO/STI etc. that you'd really like. You'll end up with a better sports car, that has most of the things you want (more power, better brakes, better handling etc.) from the factory... and you'll have a much better platform to start your modifications.

This is an excellent point & the main reason why lots of people have not run out & installed stage 3 on a polo.

[Guy_H]

This is the kit am looking at:

http://www.goapreu.com/products/stage3plus_trans.htm

This includes everything i need including software. Works out just over £4K time you add on VAT!

I dont really want to go and buy parts seperate and do a custom build. APR are in my opinion the best tuners out there. Lots of research has went into this kit and mapping it to suit. They say it is fine on standard internals, but am just wondering what everyone else thinks?

Kenny

Thats a good kit Kenny, but is only for LHD Cars - we have been supplying the RHD specific parts to Awesome GTI (APR UK) for several years for the RHD specific kit - they mainly use them on MKIV GTI's although we have confirmed fitment to a Polo (with full battery relocation & exhaust modification).

correct me if im wrong but i thaught the pog had trouble squeezing in the stage 3 apr set up? how are these guys in the uk , fitting them in?

See above

[Guy_H]

I didn't buy the APR set up, because I thought it won't fit...

Now, after my nightmare I'm pretty sure the APR exhaust manifold will fit.

The problem is in the pressurization tubes, intake, downpipe... all made to fit the Golf... I'm not sure if it will be plug'n'play in the Polo.

The APR kit is very complete, there is a video on YouTube explaining most of the kit components.

The only negative point that I saw is the software. In my case, I had to open the ECU and change the chip. It won’t accept direct port programming. You can see a parallel port over it.

Ohh.. Guess what! It didn’t work. I had to ship it to US to be checked… It will be back here in the next week.

My car is running with the APR k04 software.

EMCS Module (that soldered on module) is not required for stage 3 on AUS or UK specification Polo's. There may be a reason why your Brazillian dealer has used one (I can not think why). Once an EMCS module has been fitted, you can not direct port program a car.

Oh, not much of the Golf stage 3 (LHD KIT) is applicable.

[Guy_H]

Parallel port allows you to tune with a BDM set up, vehicles from 2010 are going back to BDM set up, which is open ecu again like you have, will be around 12mnths before its back to serial flash, however im surprised that you cant on yours mate, whats the story there???
Cheers
Jmac

See above, it's standard ME 7 fitted with an EMCS board. ME7 does not have BDM ports.

The dealer told me that the Stage3 software is older, more complex, this chip have space for only one programming and can’t be access through the cruise control.

I’m surprised it didn’t work. I think it is a hardware problem.

Sounds like something is not right.

i can sort of see that on a Passat but not a Polo im sure you agree. Wonder how many are like that. Lots of the new stuff like i say has went backwards a little from serial to BDM again. where the Eeprom is there should be a row of parallel pins( female, this is wher the BDM spikes go to do the Zapping. Im very surprised at a POlo ecu having that drama.
Interesting
Jmac

Not on ME7, we can load a full stage 3+ programming suite into the Polo via direct port programming. Maybe its a Brazillian thing - or maybe just the Brazillian installer.

[Plautos]

EMCS Module (that soldered on module) is not required for stage 3 on AUS or UK specification Polo's. There may be a reason why your Brazillian dealer has used one (I can not think why). Once an EMCS module has been fitted, you can not direct port program a car.

Oh, not much of the Golf stage 3 (LHD KIT) is applicable.

We are following the instructions given from USA.
But if you are telling it could be done by other way, I will ask how.