Pics of my POLO with H&R 25mm lowered Springs

[shhplit]

With the H&R's its still legal height so you don't have any insurance issues thats what just cars told me.



It will cost about $150 to $200 to install springs

just gave nrma a call, they said something about not allowing lowering more than 30mm from base height

does anyone have lowered springs here with nrma? they seem to be quite strict on it

apparently ive got to get RTA approval as well, i didnt realise it was so complicated

can you guys tell me how high the polo GTI is from the ground after the H&R springs?

thanks for the help

[Dub_Star_V6]

just gave nrma a call, they said something about not allowing lowering more than 30mm from base height

does anyone have lowered springs here with nrma? they seem to be quite strict on it

Hey shhplit,

Both my Liberty's were insured by NRMA.

The '91 ran Kings Lows (-30mm) around KYB Excel-Gs and I installed STi V6 springs in the '93 (-25mm from stock) and no insurance issues whatsoever.

Although why anyone would want to lower their cars more than 30mm for anything other than looks is beyond me, as other components (especially drive shafts) begin to suffer when that kind of loading is put on them due to super low/stiff springs.

30mm is more than enough to gain both a cleaner look and a positive performance benefit.

[Buller_Scott]

Hey shhplit,

Both my Liberty's were insured by NRMA.

The '91 ran Kings Lows (-30mm) around KYB Excel-Gs and I installed STi V6 springs in the '93 (-25mm from stock) and no insurance issues whatsoever.

Although why anyone would want to lower their cars more than 30mm for anything other than looks is beyond me, as other components (especially drive shafts) begin to suffer when that kind of loading is put on them due to super low/stiff springs.

30mm is more than enough to gain both a cleaner look and a positive performance benefit.

yeah on vwvortex the guys in the suspension section rip on anyone who lowers theirs more than that, saying that it might feel stiffer and sportier in your head, but you've just lost 5 seconds around a track etc.

im tempted to get h&r - i dont think 35mm would be too harsh on the shocks

[Bubu]

yeah on vwvortex the guys in the suspension section rip on anyone who lowers theirs more than that, saying that it might feel stiffer and sportier in your head, but you've just lost 5 seconds around a track etc.

Can you explain how you would loose time if your car is sitting lower than ~30mm?

I have never heard this before and I am wondering how you come to that conclusion. Current practice for track setup is opposite to what your saying.

[PeterHBne]

A rock stiff suspension setup does not automatically mean a faster car on the track. Suspension needs compliance in it for the rubber to grip most effectively and get power down – otherwise you are skipping and bouncing around. Anytime your rubber does not have maximum contact with road you are losing time.

[Mischa]

lowered springs on standard shocks is not something you buy for the track. its for looks and looks only.

[Buller_Scott]

yes,and also if you lower your car too much on stock shocks, apparently you turn your negative camber into positive camber.

i have formed no conclusions of my own- im such a newbie when it comes to this stuff, im trying to learn as much as i can on forums.

so yeah, low springs + stock shocks = positive camber on outside wheels, which wont help you go faster around bends.

[Mischa]

yes,and also if you lower your car too much on stock shocks, apparently you turn your negative camber into positive camber.

i have formed no conclusions of my own- im such a newbie when it comes to this stuff, im trying to learn as much as i can on forums.

so yeah, low springs + stock shocks = positive camber on outside wheels, which wont help you go faster around bends.

im sorry that doesnt make sense. how can lowering your car turn your camber +ive???

if positive camber is bad on "outside wheels" what about your inside wheels?

[Buller_Scott]

im sorry that doesnt make sense. how can lowering your car turn your camber +ive???

if positive camber is bad on "outside wheels" what about your inside wheels?

negative camber meaning your wheels on the right hand side, when looked at from behind, will slope down from left to right (exaggerated). like what v8 supercars have.

but keep in mind im merely regurgitating what ive read as posted on vwvortex forums by the administrators- and the context of my regurgitation is lowering a stock mk4's suspension, on springs alone, by 4 inches.....

[GoLfMan]

Scott, it doesnt matter how much u lower your Polo camber is fully adjustable!!!!

on Commodores rear suspension, that is the case, the more you lower them the more neg camber they get.

[Grant]

Scott, it doesnt matter how much u lower your Polo camber is fully adjustable!!!!

on Commodores rear suspension, that is the case, the more you lower them the more neg camber they get.

lol yeah. my brothers VZ commodore is lowered, and he wears through his rear tires in 10,000 k's

[marco polo]

All you have to do is get a wheel alignment after you lower it
the suspension place should do it as part deal.

[MACCAA]

Polos are NOT camber adjustable.Front is McPherson strut and lowerA-arm,with no adjustment for camber.
Rear is a Torsion beam,again no adjustment.
All you can adjust on stock suspension is the toe in/out on the steering rack.
Cheers
Len

[pixl]

And these last two pages are enough for me to just leave my suspension alone. I wanted to drop her about 20-25mm, but I just don't know enough about it to feel comfortable that I'm doing it the right way.

[Grant]

And these last two pages are enough for me to just leave my suspension alone. I wanted to drop her about 20-25mm, but I just don't know enough about it to feel comfortable that I'm doing it the right way.

its not as complicated as this thread makes it seem.

if you get H&R springs (about a 25mm drop on a GTI), you don't NEED to change the shocks. sure, your shocks will wear out quicker and the ride will be slightly more 'bouncy', but unless you track your car you most likely wont notice or care. also, a drop this small isn't going to screw up camber.

even if my shocks last only 20,000 kms with the H&Rs, thats still over 2 years with the miles i do. so it'll give me plently of time to save some cash for shocks and it spreads the cost out.