Warranty and Mods

[yokom46]

Heya All,

I've searched a couple times for warranty related modding for new VW's and I might be missing something so I just wanted to ask.

Has anyone -actually- been turned away from a warranty repair because of a mod they've installed / added?
There are a couple small things I'd like to do to my new 6r but am a bit paranoid seeing as though the 6r engine seems not to be the most reliable around.

All I want to do is;
- Stage 1 APR
- Middle Muffler delete
- Intake (Maybe)
- Springs and dampers.

Cheers in advance guys!
Ruv roo rong time

[nomadx38]

Any modification in a section of the car in question for warrantee will be denied a claim.

For example a ECU upgrade will void warrantee for the entire engine and gearbox, including exhaust. That means if you had a problem with the stitching on the seats they still have to warrant a claim.

This exact issue came up a couple months back and due to the fact that this guy had a tune on the engine meant that they denied a warrantee claim on the gearbox, and from what I remember was out of pocket by a bit.

[Dutch77]

There's been a few people who've had warranty claims passed on mechanicals as well despite tunes, seems to be down to the dealer/service centre.

The conservative approach would be not to mod, particularly if you don't have sufficient funds to fix something expensive going bang.

You could always go springs/dampers and any cosmetics in the early days, and save the mechanical stuff once the warranty is gone as well.

[yokom46]

Yeah that's pretty much how I'd figured it out in my head. That makes sense, thanks.

Thats a pity, as I like the sound of the 150kw and 300nm tune that APR do. Not sure I'll take the risk though.
I'll still do the rest I think, cheers!

[Transporter]

Check it with your dealer first I would say, but as Dutch77 says there were quite a few who had the warranty jobs done on their tuned engines. It will depend what the failure is and greatly from the dealer who would do the repair.

If yours is manual and not the DSG, IMO after 15,000km you should know how is the engine doing and you can make a better decision. Certainly you wouldn't want to tune the engine that is using a lot of oil and will need to be fixed.

[nomadx38]

Also remember, that tune pushes the gearbox past its official limits (max torque is 250nm for the 7speed DSG) so 300nm is quite over the limit. Yes they do allow for more stress in the clutches and everything in general but keep it in mind that you could chew through clutches more quickly and if you have a DSG clutch that's $2500 a hit to replace.

But then again it depends when and how it delivers 300 nm of torque, if its higher up in the rev range you should be fine as the clutch is fully engaged anyway.

[yokom46]

I didn't consider that, thanks.
I thought I read somewhere that the DSG box was rated to 350nm. I could have made that up though, I can't remember exactly.. lol

[nomadx38]

The 6sp DSG found in the Golf GTI / R is rated up to 350nm and this is because it has 2 multi plate WET clutches.

The 7sp DSG found in everything else has a rating of 250nm and has 2 solid DRY clutches. For this reason the 7sp DSG does NOT have launch control unlike its wet clutch counterpart.

[yokom46]

Well there you go.
Puzzling they introduced a dry clutch into their 7spd. I wonder if its to reduce loss to the wheels?

Still, good info, ty

[team_v]

The 6sp DSG found in the Golf GTI / R is rated up to 350nm and this is because it has 2 multi plate WET clutches.

The 7sp DSG found in everything else has a rating of 250nm and has 2 solid DRY clutches. For this reason the 7sp DSG does NOT have launch control unlike its wet clutch counterpart.

Actually, there is a second 7 speed DSG box that they use in the commercial and heavier duty vehicles such as the Tiguan and Multivan etc that is rated up to 500NM from memory?

[yokom46]

Actually, there is a second 7 speed DSG box that they use in the commercial and heavier duty vehicles such as the Tiguan and Multivan etc that is rated up to 550NM from memory?

Want.....

[nomadx38]

Yes that is also correct, a new 7 speed DSG has been made of recent for transverse models and high torque. It's in the new Tiguan, Multivan and I would definitely say the new Golf GTI / R.

The reason they went to solid clutches is so they could strip weight by having no oil and a less complex (and thus heavy) clutch. In all it worked out to be about a saving of 30kg, which is less weight over the front for better handling. But personally I would say its a poor choice as it has been shown that in hot climates these clutched cant dissipate the heat generated and breakdown rapidly which lead them to change the clutch material in 2012.

[Guy_H]

The 7 speed DQ200 will easily transmit more than 300nm to the wheels. I'm yet to see anyone break a transmission? (correct me if I'm wrong). And I have also not seen any clutch packs worn from "power & torque" applications. There are other threads talking about premature clutch wear, most of it due to the factory DSG software that hold the cars in too high a gear, and slipping because of that. Easy fix with our DSG software.

Warranty & mods? Talk to your local APR dealer about what we can do for you to work with your VW dealer.

[nomadx38]

I hate to mention names but the tune on Gavs GTI blew up his mechatronics unit, it jammed the 1st (K1) clutch actuator shut and was out of pocket to replace it. Ok it may not have been the tune directly but I find it hard to say that it played NO part.

Also I have a newish polo with all the software updates regarding gear change points etc and my clutches still went at 15,000km. I replaced them,with new clutches which vw said have a harder clutch material and for 25,000km haven't had a problem since *touch wood* so I would say its the material not so much the software, though that does play a part.

[yokom46]

I replaced them,with new clutches which vw said have a harder clutch material and for 25,000km haven't had a problem since *touch wood* so I would say its the material not so much the software, though that does play a part.

So my 2012 built GTI should have these new clutches in it too I'm guessing?

I boosted up in 3rd yesterday and the gearbox light flashed a couple times then went away..