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  • #16
    Steering affects headlight brightness.

    Originally posted by nomadx38 View Post
    Don't forget the 1.2 / 1.6L engines have extremely small alternators and produce very little power at idle (which is also the time when the power steering will be fully used such as for parking)

    Every Polo I have seen does it without fail, the only thing that depends how much it dims is how much you are dry turning (which requires more power to turn) and how fast you are going (the faster the more power the alternator can make)

    Not something I would worry about mate...unless is was EXCESSIVE like the lights were going completely out! That may indicate a leak in the circuit...
    Thanks nomadx

    Nah it's not doing it excessively, but it does 'blip' the engine a bit as the alternator asks for more power.
    Last edited by alexaescht; 21-04-2013, 11:32 PM.
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    • #17
      Steering affects headlight brightness.

      Originally posted by wai View Post
      There should not be an issue with charging, however the alternator might need checking to make sure it is outputting properly.

      On another issue, I like your avatar. Some years ago I did work for the industrial diesel division of the then Daimler Chrysler, and they had a little handbook that had fully dimensioned drawings of their logo, complete with details of colour and how, when and where to use the logo. It must be a German thing
      Thanks

      Oh and my avatar – I just found it online a while ago.

      Here's the high-res version (can be used as a desktop background)
      Last edited by alexaescht; 21-04-2013, 11:33 PM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by nomadx38 View Post
        Don't forget the 1.2 / 1.6L engines have extremely small alternators and produce very little power at idle (which is also the time when the power steering will be fully used such as for parking)

        Every Polo I have seen does it without fail, the only thing that depends how much it dims is how much you are dry turning (which requires more power to turn) and how fast you are going (the faster the more power the alternator can make)

        Not something I would worry about mate...unless is was EXCESSIVE like the lights were going completely out! That may indicate a leak in the circuit...
        My understanding of an Alternator that is that it will produce as much charging at idle as any other time.
        It was the old generator that had to be spun faster to produce more as per this article below

        Generator

        The speed of the spinning is controlled by the speed of the engine - that's why you need to rev the engine up to help charge the battery faster.
        Alternator
        The more modern and more capable alternator is explained here. Every modern vehicle uses an alternator - and for good reasons. It is more complicated than a generator, but that added complexity brings a few very good features that you will most certainly want on your vehicle - mainly the fact that it will charge the battery at idle and can support the higher amperages needed to run all of the electrical equipment on a modern vehicle.
        In the old days if you had a flat battery you usually took the car for a run to charge the battery Now you just need to turn motor on and let it idle to do it. Well it has worked for me anyway.
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        • #19
          Actually a old DC genaerator uses the old technology of pretty much turning a DC motor by an external source. The problem with this was that they were more complicated and the brushes (communicators) wore out. This also made them heavier and could only be spun at same speed of an engine (or they would fall apart).

          Alternators use the more simple and wide spread electrical generator setup (used at all power stations) which is a 3 sided electromagnet spinning inside a 3 phase coil. This creates a 3 phase AC current which with modern electronics uses a DC rectifier to convert from AC to DC at high efficiency. The advantage of alternators is that they are simpler and lighter which means that they are geared up to spin at twice the engine speed.

          This means that at idle they do produce twice the power than a old generator but they do not produce anywhere near maximum power at idle. The faster it spins the more power, that's how every generator works

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          • #20
            Originally posted by nomadx38 View Post
            Actually a old DC genaerator uses the old technology of pretty much turning a DC motor by an external source. The problem with this was that they were more complicated and the brushes (communicators) wore out. This also made them heavier and could only be spun at same speed of an engine (or they would fall apart).

            Alternators use the more simple and wide spread electrical generator setup (used at all power stations) which is a 3 sided electromagnet spinning inside a 3 phase coil. This creates a 3 phase AC current which with modern electronics uses a DC rectifier to convert from AC to DC at high efficiency. The advantage of alternators is that they are simpler and lighter which means that they are geared up to spin at twice the engine speed.

            This means that at idle they do produce twice the power than a old generator but they do not produce anywhere near maximum power at idle. The faster it spins the more power, that's how every generator works
            Hmmmm Alternator and Generator Theory

            He seems to think Alternators are more complicated .
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            • #21
              Steering affects headlight brightness.

              Just as a side note, on my factory bi-xenon equipped polo the drls or headlights don't dim as I turn the wheel at idle. The cornering lights turn on and off however
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              • #22
                Generators are more basic in principle but due to the requirement of brushes and the coil spinning instead of the magnet I see it as having a more complicated construction / service and replacement.

                An alternator will technically last forever so long as the coating on the wires doesn't deteriorate or the solid state DC rectifier doesn't fail.

                With a generator it is a guarantee that the brushes will wear down and make the generator useless.

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                • #23
                  Also Gavs the Xenon globes go through a ballast and can absorb the slight loss in power and won't effect it's output. A filament bulb will show it as it has no capacitance to store power.

                  My Xenons don't do it but my old halogen use to dim (just like the interior lights until I went to LED)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by nomadx38 View Post
                    Actually a old DC genaerator uses the old technology of pretty much turning a DC motor by an external source. The problem with this was that they were more complicated and the brushes (communicators) wore out. This also made them heavier and could only be spun at same speed of an engine (or they would fall apart).
                    My other VW has a generator. The crank pulley diameter is twice the size of the genny pulley. So even in stock configuration VW decided they could spin at 9000rpm. Its never going to fall apart. When the brushes wear out its $2 and 2 minutes to replace. 20 years down the track on the 4th set of brushes you pull the rotor out, machine the commutator in 5 minutes, and reassemble. Generally pretty bullet proof, just not enough amps for modern day accessories. Voltage regulators not so reliable, gone through a few of those.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by nomadx38 View Post
                      Also Gavs the Xenon globes go through a ballast and can absorb the slight loss in power and won't effect it's output. A filament bulb will show it as it has no capacitance to store power.

                      My Xenons don't do it but my old halogen use to dim (just like the interior lights until I went to LED)
                      I know, i was being facious But, in seriousness, the interior lights don't dim on mine.
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                      • #26
                        Are you sure? try heavily turning around a carpark slowly with the door open. It's only the yellow interior lights that dim. The red instrument lighting doesn't dim...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by nomadx38 View Post
                          Are you sure? try heavily turning around a carpark slowly with the door open. It's only the yellow interior lights that dim. The red instrument lighting doesn't dim...
                          None of my internal lights dim either when under heavy load.
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                          • #28
                            Steering affects headlight brightness.

                            Originally posted by nomadx38 View Post
                            Are you sure? try heavily turning around a carpark slowly with the door open. It's only the yellow interior lights that dim. The red instrument lighting doesn't dim...
                            Tried it and.... No dimming.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by gavs View Post
                              Tried it and.... No dimming.
                              Haha did you try at night? With headlights on, Aircon off and all interior lights on? As I said its a very small dim so if you are looking at it you won't see it. It's more the ambient light that dims. Could also be that the GTI has less assistance for the power steering to give that sporty feel...

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                              • #30
                                LOL...perhaps we should try with every single light and air con on
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