Polo GTI high oil consumption?

[brad]

So it says that next scheduled service is 15k kms can I take it in at 1k kms and get them to apply that 15k km service at that interval if I am concerned ? I have net checked my oil consumption yet just find it disconcerting that there is no 1k km service for the initial run in period.

Concerned about what?

Some people want an early oil change (somewhere between 1000km-3000km); other get it done at half-intervals (75000km) and others leave it until 15,000km. The VW stance is that the service isn't due until 15,000km/12m unless you are operating under severe service conditions.

Personally, I don't think a 1000km oil change is warranted & I waited the 15,000km & have done the oil/filter every 15,000km since. Oil has been factory fill, 502.00, 504.00, 504.00, 504.00. car runs like a dream, never used oil & averages 6.8L/100 for the 66,000km it's travelled. My usage pattern would be described as quite benign as I do lots of long trips/motorway.

It comes down to personal choice, how much money you want to throw at your car & how long you intend to keep it.

[Gambit]

How much did you get charged?

[pologti18t]

Personally, I don't think a 1000km oil change is warranted & I waited the 15,000km & have done the oil/filter every 15,000km since. Oil has been factory fill, 502.00, 504.00, 504.00, 504.00. car runs like a dream, never used oil & averages 6.8L/100 for the 66,000km it's travelled. My usage pattern would be described as quite benign as I do lots of long trips/motorway.

It comes down to personal choice, how much money you want to throw at your car & how long you intend to keep it.

I tend to follow the manufacturers recommendations. To me... its a waste to change expensive synth oil every 7500km. Especially as I have no intention of keeping my cars for more than about 5 yrs. No point wasting my money for the benefit of subsequent owners

BTW... my 1.8T Polo uses negliable oil between yearly services. It was run in using most of the points spelt out on the motorex site. Load on the engine when accelerating AND decelerating (overrun, no throttle) is important.

[brad]

How much did you get charged?

This is on a Skoda with an EA888 1.8TSI M6

The receipts are down in the car. There's a thread somewhere on VWwc... /searches:
2009 - 15k = $150 and I supplied my own 502.00 Castrol Edge Sport 5w-30 ($30) to the dealer as he wanted $130 for 504.00
2009 - 30k = $290
2010 - 45k = $270
2010 - 60k = $330 at an Independant VW specialist. Skoda/VW wanted $700-$950.

All the dealer prices had to be haggled over. Some people aren't willing to do that. The independant quoted a fair & reasonable price straight off the bat.

[Corey_R]

"Good quality" 504 compliant oil from reputable brands seems to be around the $65 to 90 mark for 5L depending on the brand, as long as you shop around.
I've been using the Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 and it's $80 for 5L. I also purchased the oil filter element and sump plug from the spares counter at my local dealer (~$34 for both parts). If I was intending to do regular oil changes myself, I'd purchase a set of 5 filters and plugs from somewhere like ECS Tuning at the same time I ordered a few other items - however, I think I'll be getting the dealer to do my servicing at this point.

That being said... I'll still provide them with my own bottle of Liqui-Moly to use... my car uses 4.6L so I'll get them to put the bottle with left over back into the boot

[Gambit]

that aint too bad, i might just change the oil and oil filter myself at 1k anyway

[GTI JOE]

Yeah, Supercheap Auto sell the Shell Ultra Extra 5W-30 for $69.95.

Hey Corey, how does the Shell oil compare to your Liqui-Moly?

[Corey_R]

I don't know to be honest. I think only someone with many initials after their name and years of mechnical experience could say for sure.

The Liqui-Moly is engineered AND manufactured in Germany for German engines. It's only started to be imported to Australia recently as far as I'm aware. A few of the more mechnically minded guys on these forums suggested that it is a good brand and that they were already using their products, so I called Derek of European Autotech (they are who has done the upgrade work on my three VW's and they service several Sydney forum member's cars) to ask his opinion, only to find he had just signed up to be a distributor after trying it out for a while in his workshop...

.. so since I had to go there to get my Stage II+ upgrade done on my R, and I already had a few thousand K on my car and the filter/sump plug from VW spares, it just seemed the obvious choice and time to get it done

[GTI JOE]

Thanks Corey,
Found this web site that sell the Liqui-Moly for $79.95 with free Australia wide shipping
MotorActive - Online Shop

[brad]

how does the Shell oil compare to your Liqui-Moly?

Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4200 5W-30
Viscosity class : 5W-30
Viscosity at +40 °C : 72 mm²/s DIN 51562
Viscosity at +100 °C : 11.8 mm²/s DIN 51562
Density at +15 °C : 0.850 g/cm³ DIN 51757
Viscosity index : 160 DIN ISO 2909
Pour point : - 45 °C DIN ISO 3016
Ash, sulfate : 0.6 g/100 g DIN 51575
Base number : 6.2 mg KOH/g DIN ISO 3771

Shell Helix Ultra Extra 5W-30
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C cSt ASTM D 445 - 67.9
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C cSt ASTM D 445 - 11.8
Viscosity Index ISO 2909 - 170
Flash Point °C ASTM D 4502 - 0.848
Pour Point °C ISO 3016 –39

So the above numbers are saying that when cold the LiquiMoly is a fraction runnier than the Shell. When hot they are the same viscosity.

Unfortunately, Shell don't quote a Total Base Number (counteracts biproducts of combustion). The LiquiMoly is about average - Valvoline 504.00 is 5.9 as a comparison; there are oils out there with TBN greater than 12. Strangely, when I had the UOA done on my valvoline after 15,000 the TBN was over 9 (which makes no sense). At the end of the oils life, you don't want a TBN much less than 3.

I'd have no problems using the LiquiMoly. I'd be happy to use the Shell as well. Shell & Fuchs are OEM suppliers to the VW factories.

[GraveDilute]

I found the Penrite ENVIRO + at Supercheap. 1L = $16.99
Expensive!
Still, it says on the bottle that it is specifically designed for VW specification.

[brad]

1L bottles are always expensive. Enviro+ in a 5L bottle is about $75-$85

[GraveDilute]

Yep, small volume = high margin for retailer. Totally understandable.
In my case, I only want to keep the 1L kicking around in the garage for when I need a top up.
If it starts to really drink oil then I'll take it into the dealer.

At 1300 kms now on my GTI. Hopefully it calms down now

[yas786]

Seems I have not been keeping an eye on 2 things while driving the GTi:
(1) Km's travelled, I could swear we only did around 1,500 km's - but it is now on 3,300 km's
(2) Oil level - checked dip stick last night after letting the car sit for a few hours - it was near empty!

I understand these motors use a bit of oil based on their design, so oil level did not freak me out. My brother had the same happen to his
MK5 Golf GTi. So went out this morning and bought 5L of Shell Helix Ultra Extra and topped it up. Will keep checking weekly to ensure it does not drop to that level again.

[Gambit]

^ that's a worry.