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    Volkswagen Polo 5 GTI
    B6 Passat Wagon No KESSY

  • #2
    Once again proving that carsales.com.au are full of old men with beards who know nothing about real driving passion.
    Last edited by break; 17-05-2010, 03:20 PM.
    Previous Rides: Polo GTI, Mx5 10AE, MY05 WRX WRP10, Renault Sport Clio 172
    Current Ride: Evo 8 MR, Fabia MK3

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    • #3
      from drive....

      Germans love hot hatches in the same way Aussies love V8 muscle cars. That much became obvious as the new Volkswagen Polo GTI demanded admiring stares the same way a new HSV or FPV would Down Under.

      Navigating the autobahns, rolling hills, twisting mountain roads and narrow town streets on the drive from Frankfurt to the famous Nurburgring race track it's easy to understand why these little cars are so popular.

      The fifth generation Polo, launched only last week in Australia, has spawned the fourth generation Polo GTI hot hatch.

      Looking just like its older brother, the Golf GTI, the Polo packs all the usual hot hatch tricks - more powerful engine, improved handling and a sportier look.

      The new model, due to arrive in Australia late this year, is powered by the VW Group's 1.4-litre turbo and supercharged engine; the same unit found in the 118TSI Golf.


      It's been tweaked for the Polo GTI so now packs 132kW and 250Nm, giving it a 22kW and 30Nm advantage over the out-going Polo GTI's 1.8-litre turbo unit.

      Heading out of Frankfurt on the unrestricted autobahn the Polo had little trouble pulling towards 200km/h on the way to its top speed of 229km/h.

      But when the road got twister the engine proved flexible thanks to its twin-charger set-up. The supercharged acts when the revs are low to give the turbo time to spin up.

      Careful application of accelerator is required though because there's more than enough grunt from the engine to overpower the front wheels that have to transmit the power to the road.

      It's the curse of all front-wheel drive hot hatches so to help the process of getting the power to the road the Polo GTI uses the same clever electronic differential as the Golf GTI. Known as XDS, the differential is able to improve traction and road holding by braking the inside wheel when the array of sensors pick up any wheel slip.

      It works in conjunction with the car's traction control and electronic stability control program and together the system certainly helps but doesn't remove the need for a smart right foot.

      Another piece of technology that adds to the driving experience is the addition of a speaker mounted inside the firewall that acts to boost the sound of the engine inside the cabin. Like the XDS, the speaker technology debuted on the Golf GTI.
      It's a neat party trick that gives the pint-sized Polo a real rorty soundtrack, perfect for such a hot hatch.

      Despite all the extra power the new car sips 5.9L/100km compared with 7.9 of the old 1.8-litre turbo, as well as emitting 188g/km of CO2. That's a fuel consumption improvement of 25 per cent, an impressive achievement in an era when fuel use is increasingly being factored into peoples' purchase decisions - even with small cars.

      One move that will excite some buyers and disappoint others is VW's decision to offer the Polo GTI without a traditional manual gearbox. Instead a seven-speed double-clutch automated manual (known as DGS in VW-speak) is fitted as standard.

      The DSG is an impressive piece of equipment. You can leave it alone and drive the car like a regular automatic or use the steering wheel mounted paddles to change gears manually.

      While some purists will decry the lack of a "stick shift" manual, it doesn't take long to see the benefits of the DSG. It will make using a Polo GTI as a daily driver a much more relaxing experience, while still allowing drivers to get the best out of the manual mode when circumstances demand; there's a manual override that at least allows owners to pick the gear they want.

      But all that engine power and clever gearbox and technology doesn't mean much if the basic suspension set-up has missed the mark. Happily for VW, our first overseas steer of the Polo GTI shows it enjoys the same brilliant dynamics as the Golf GTI.

      Rising on 17-inch allow wheels the ride is unsurprisingly firm, as you'd expected from a hot hatch. While the balance is squarely tipped in favour of performance over comfort the Polo held up well on some of the rougher back roads we encountered; Australia's poorer roads and often challenging surfaces will no doubt throw up some unique challenges, which we'll assess when the Polo GTI arrives here.

      The steering, too, is great, with direct, precise reactions and good driver feedback.

      The same can't be said for the brakes, which while providing enough stopping power, did so without much feel through the pedal.

      Stepping out of the Polo GTI there is now questioning its lineage, it is the spitting image of the Golf GTI. Already looking like a shrunken Golf, all the trademark GTI styling cues can be found on the Polo GTI.

      That means the black honeycomb grille with red stripping at the front, the five-spoke alloy wheels and colour coded rear spoiler. Inside the same Golf GTI tartan fabric is used on the seats.

      Indeed the interior of the Polo GTI is one of its most endearing features. The tartan seats are teamed with simple grey cloth trim and soft-touch black plastics as well as a beautiful, thick-rimmed steering wheel. The result is a refined, upmarket cabin that looks much more expensive than the pricetag the car carries.
      So will the Polo GTI be a hit when it arrives in Australia?

      While Polo-sized hot hatches remain popular in Europe, Australia's are yet to embrace such compact offerings wholeheartedly.

      Ford has dropped the Fiesta XR4 and has yet to announce any plans for a replacement. Fiat has said it will introduce the Abarth versions of the Punto and 500 later this year but hasn't yet confirmed on-sale dates.

      So when the Polo GTI arrives down under its most direct rival will be the recently launched Renault Clio RS 200 Cup. The French model boasts more power (147.5kW) but can't match the Polo for torque (215Nm).

      If the success and lineage of the Golf GTI are anything to go by, the Polo GTI could carve itself a handy niche.
      B6 Passat Wagon No KESSY

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      • #4
        [youtube]Jw3MEPoIVeU&playnext_from=TL&videos=88vvyK4al2Q&fe ature=sub[/youtube]

        Autocar review, basically says its a good car just not involving enough to be a GTI.

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        • #5
          Front looks awesome but the rear (especially the taillights) look way too feminine.

          The tail lights are way too large and round in my opinion.

          A simple reflash will make the drive more engaging and appealing imho as well.

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          • #6
            from carsales:
            Engine and Drivetrain: 3.5/5.0
            Safety: 3.5/5.0

            how they can give those ratings is beyond me. 1.4TSI and DSG that has power and economy plus the car has a 5 star crash rating.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Grant View Post
              from carsales:
              Engine and Drivetrain: 3.5/5.0
              Safety: 3.5/5.0

              how they can give those ratings is beyond me. 1.4TSI and DSG that has power and economy plus the car has a 5 star crash rating.
              Again, carsales are a bunch of old men with beards that think the Hyundai i30 is the best car available in Australia for the last two years. Enough said.
              Previous Rides: Polo GTI, Mx5 10AE, MY05 WRX WRP10, Renault Sport Clio 172
              Current Ride: Evo 8 MR, Fabia MK3

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              • #8
                Saw the new Polo today at the local dealership.

                Front is nice, don't like the back lights (at least you could change them down the track with some aftermarket ones).

                Factory ride height is a joke, feel like I could have fit my head between the wheel and the guard.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by noone View Post
                  Factory ride height is a joke, feel like I could have fit my head between the wheel and the guard.
                  Guess theyre riding on 17s now, so bigger gap.

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                  • #10
                    New Polo GTI already on VW UK website [URL="http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/polo-v/configure/855/engine-and-transmission"]at 18,850 GBP on road. Prediction is that it will hit OZ at around 32-33K On Road. It'll sell like hot cakes if it does .

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                    • #11
                      lol ... I must be the only one who likes the rear lights on this one.

                      I sat in one last Saturday. Wasn't too keen on the interior.
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                      • #12
                        I received the Volkswagen Magazine - Winter Edition magazine yesterday. Great review on the Polo GTI along with images that capture what it's about.

                        I will say the tail lights look a tad weird, but an overall improvement over the 9N3 tailights if I had to compare.

                        I must quote this from the magazine, because this sums up the Polo GTI.

                        "The jurors further praised Volkswagens classy Polo for its stylish curves, mature manners, superb adjustable driving position and well weighted controls. The fact the Polo generated a maximum 5 star EURO NCAP crash test rating also added to its appeal."

                        Great car, thumbs up.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pixl View Post
                          lol ... I must be the only one who likes the rear lights on this one.

                          I sat in one last Saturday. Wasn't too keen on the interior.
                          I've seen the current one and I like the dash, looks classy, seats don't look too good, but it is the base model. GTI seats are obviously different so will wait to see how that works with changes that come to the GTI. Pictures look great.

                          Interesting that they are comparing it to the clio sport. I too was considering them but the cars are quite chalk and cheese when driving. One is very focused (clio), the other has the ability to put a smile on your face, but is also comfortable to drive daily. it's obvious were our money went
                          Track Car: 06 Polo GTI Red Devil mkII
                          Daily: 2010 VW Jetta Highline
                          Gone but not forgotten: 08 Polo GTI
                          ** All information I provide is probably incorrect until validated by someone else **

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seangti View Post
                            Interesting that they are comparing it to the clio sport. I too was considering them but the cars are quite chalk and cheese when driving. One is very focused (clio), the other has the ability to put a smile on your face, but is also comfortable to drive daily. it's obvious were our money went
                            To be honest, I really do think the Clio Sport should be the benchmark for all hot hatches.

                            If you wanted something for a comfortable daily drive then look at the 1.2TSI or 1.6TDI which both do it well. The GTI should be a drivers car, it should have plenty of weight and feedback in the steering, it should be a little harsh on the road thanks to uncompromised handling, it should have a temperment that begs to be pushed.

                            The previous gen Polo GTI (our gen) didn't achieve these things from the factory (but is a good base to do those things to), and it looks like this one doesn't either.

                            Don't get me wrong, still sounds brilliant for the price.... but its a 'peoples car' rather than the 'focused hot hatch' it should be like the Clio and XR4 are.
                            Previous Rides: Polo GTI, Mx5 10AE, MY05 WRX WRP10, Renault Sport Clio 172
                            Current Ride: Evo 8 MR, Fabia MK3

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by break View Post
                              To be honest, I really do think the Clio Sport should be the benchmark for all hot hatches.

                              If you wanted something for a comfortable daily drive then look at the 1.2TSI or 1.6TDI which both do it well. The GTI should be a drivers car, it should have plenty of weight and feedback in the steering, it should be a little harsh on the road thanks to uncompromised handling, it should have a temperment that begs to be pushed.





                              The previous gen Polo GTI (our gen) didn't achieve these things from the factory (but is a good base to do those things to), and it looks like this one doesn't either.

                              Don't get me wrong, still sounds brilliant for the price.... but its a 'peoples car' rather than the 'focused hot hatch' it should be like the Clio and XR4 are.
                              The unfortunate reality for Renault with the RS Clio is that VWA will land the Polo GTI here for under 34K OR against 44K OR for the RSClio.
                              The PoloGTI will sell at a volume of 10 to 1 against the Clio at these prices. Thats not to say the RSClio is a bad car it's just horrendously overpriced in this country for what it is (a normally aspirated hot hatch that you have to ring the neck of to get the best out of it)

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