Query - 2017 Passat 206 TSI R - Tuning

[Goublin]

Whilst researching and figuring stuff out. I am right in saying the tsi 206 runs off an ihi turbo? I think I am correct, if that is the cas, looking at pics on line I don't think you can put a two pipe dump pipe on.

[Goublin]

So, trying to find mods for the passat is like panning for gold nuggets, not much out there. Loads for the golf R tsi how ever, with teh same engine.

I have just emailed neuspeed if some of their products will fit, 4 emails, 48 hours later....still no sure. Pics of engine bay sent.

Found one website only that does brake upgrades.

Anyone found the same?

[tigger73]

Someone needs to did a supplier that has a Golf R DP in stock and that’s happy to do a test-fit.

These will almost certainly bolt up to the turbo, however the question is where the mounts are on the Golf vs. the Passat and then length and where it connects to the mid-pipe.

Given that they are both MQB platform vehicles I’d be surprised if there’s major differences between the 2 but someone has to be the first....




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[Goublin]

Someone needs to did a supplier that has a Golf R DP in stock and that’s happy to do a test-fit.

These will almost certainly bolt up to the turbo, however the question is where the mounts are on the Golf vs. the Passat and then length and where it connects to the mid-pipe.

Given that they are both MQB platform vehicles I’d be surprised if there’s major differences between the 2 but someone has to be the first....

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Neuspeed in the US sent me this when i inquired: Your engine is the gen3 so the Golf R Discharge pipe 48.02.47 should fit. We do not make an air charge because OE is full size with no restrictions so an aftermarket pipe will have no benefit.

HI-FLO Turbo Discharge Conversion

Was good of them to be upfront. I'm going to get the TDP.

I had some money coming my way, which now has arrived. I'm getting the following do to the Passat:

Racingline OEM+ stage 2 tune package at HP Brisbane
DSG tune
Racingline IC
Neuspeed TGP
Bespoke cat back Exhaust system

I've spoke to all the suppliers and done my research. I'm hoping to get done by the end of April. Be interesting to see the gains.

[Wynnston]

The engine is mechanically identical to the MY17 Golf R (not the 17.5). It's only got a slightly different tune which essentially drops 30nm and makes it a little laggier off the line to make things "smoother"

[Blackpaladin67]

The engine is mechanically identical to the MY17 Golf R (not the 17.5). It's only got a slightly different tune which essentially drops 30nm and makes it a little laggier off the line to make things "smoother"

Hi mate you should check the latest posts on the Arteon threds in respect us changing to Audi setup with super results. 300km no bad effects noted


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[Blackpaladin67]

Like getting a pedal or tune fix big prompts to Demension who found it !


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[CaseySP]

Can you explain more about the "Audi setup"?

[Blackpaladin67]

Can you explain more about the "Audi setup"?

1. 01-Engine
2. 07-Coding
3. Long Coding
4. Change the drop down option in Bit 0-2 from "01 Manufacturer: Seat/Skoda/Volkswagen" to "02 Manufacturer: Audi"


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[CaseySP]

I get the coding. More a question about the differences between standard and "Audi" setup. ie what is the difference - is the VW setup deliberately sub-optimal to push purchasers towards Audi (seriously?). Does this affect the Golf R as well as the Passat and Arteon? Has anyone done a set of comparative dyno plots? What is the before and after driver experience (seems positive )?

FWIW I used to have an MX5-SP (one of the 100 special edition Alan Horsely turbo rockets) and a $2 mod on the boost line lifted the engine output from 160kW factory to about 190kW (in a 1200kg car mind you ). Any number of us were doing these mods on dynos - often with an ECU tune at the same time, and could demonstrate the gains and where in the curve they occurred.

[Blackpaladin67]

I get the coding. More a question about the differences between standard and "Audi" setup. ie what is the difference - is the VW setup deliberately sub-optimal to push purchasers towards Audi (seriously?). Does this affect the Golf R as well as the Passat and Arteon? Has anyone done a set of comparative dyno plots? What is the before and after driver experience (seems positive )?

FWIW I used to have an MX5-SP (one of the 100 special edition Alan Horsely turbo rockets) and a $2 mod on the boost line lifted the engine output from 160kW factory to about 190kW (in a 1200kg car mind you ). Any number of us were doing these mods on dynos - often with an ECU tune at the same time, and could demonstrate the gains and where in the curve they occurred.

Tried and works on Arteon & Skoda Superb todate .. So anyone else out there with 2.0l FSI willing to give it a go?


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[Goublin]

Neuspeed in the US sent me this when i inquired: Your engine is the gen3 so the Golf R Discharge pipe 48.02.47 should fit. We do not make an air charge because OE is full size with no restrictions so an aftermarket pipe will have no benefit.

HI-FLO Turbo Discharge Conversion

Was good of them to be upfront. I'm going to get the TDP.

I had some money coming my way, which now has arrived. I'm getting the following do to the Passat:

Racingline OEM+ stage 2 tune package at HP Brisbane
DSG tune
Racingline IC
Neuspeed TGP
Bespoke cat back Exhaust system

I've spoke to all the suppliers and done my research. I'm hoping to get done by the end of April. Be interesting to see the gains.

Update for those who are interested.

Full exhaust system done. Will add a mid-muffler as it’s a bit too noisy for me
The guys (who have been awesome) at HP tuned it up after exhaust was fitted and the engine light came on and did a DSG tune too.

Waiting on parts to be ordered. Intercooler, cool air induction and turbo pipe. My neuspeed discharge pipe has arrived so they will fit it all and tune to stage 2+

So right now with exhaust, tune, and DSG tune its pulling about 275 KW (estimate) I took it to Willowbank on Friday and did a qtr mile in 12.7 secs. I think I could have got better, need to work on my launch control. Car feels good, no turbo lag and hugely responsive. Cannot wait to see what it will do when all the other stuff is added. They said it could land around 300kw.
I will post some pics when done.

[Wynnston]

Update for those who are interested.

Full exhaust system done. Will add a mid-muffler as it’s a bit too noisy for me
The guys (who have been awesome) at HP tuned it up after exhaust was fitted and the engine light came on and did a DSG tune too.

Waiting on parts to be ordered. Intercooler, cool air induction and turbo pipe. My neuspeed discharge pipe has arrived so they will fit it all and tune to stage 2+

So right now with exhaust, tune, and DSG tune its pulling about 275 KW (estimate) I took it to Willowbank on Friday and did a qtr mile in 12.7 secs. I think I could have got better, need to work on my launch control. Car feels good, no turbo lag and hugely responsive. Cannot wait to see what it will do when all the other stuff is added. They said it could land around 300kw.
I will post some pics when done.

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That was me last night. 12.718 on JB4 Only. Sedan. The car next to me was a Wagon with a JB4, best he got all night was 12.9, but he had a passenger. He has a JB4 on Map 2 as well.

Everyone was very impressed, including the commentators on the night. I don't think they expected a Passat to do those times.

I did have a few problems with launching at the top of the Launch control. It would sometimes lose too much traction and not want to go straight into 2nd. It was a little damp earlier in the day so traction wasn't perfect, even with 4 motion. It certainly needs a gearbox tune and some sort of Haldex controller to make it just that little bit better.

[Goublin]

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That was me last night. 12.718 on JB4 Only. Sedan. The car next to me was a Wagon with a JB4, best he got all night was 12.9, but he had a passenger. He has a JB4 on Map 2 as well.

Everyone was very impressed, including the commentators on the night. I don't think they expected a Passat to do those times.

I did have a few problems with launching at the top of the Launch control. It would sometimes lose too much traction and not want to go straight into 2nd. It was a little damp earlier in the day so traction wasn't perfect, even with 4 motion. It certainly needs a gearbox tune and some sort of Haldex controller to make it just that little bit better.

Wow great time mate, anything else apart from the JB4? Car back next week to complete stage 2 so ill be keen to see if i can better that. I did three runs, the 12.7 was my first and the only one were i got the launch control spot on, need to practice!

[Wynnston]

Wow great time mate, anything else apart from the JB4? Car back next week to complete stage 2 so ill be keen to see if i can better that. I did three runs, the 12.7 was my first and the only one were i got the launch control spot on, need to practice!

JB4 and Res Delete, but the Res Delete is obviously not going to give me any more power. What are you running to get the 12.7?