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  • 2012 B7 Passat 3.6 with a weird issue

    Hello guys.

    Bought a new battery about 6 months ago. Didn't drive the car for 5 days and was on my way to work and it was flat. Got a jumo and few days later same.

    One day I walk outside and I hear the priming noise before I evwn unlock the car. Pull the FP fuse and it stops. Just to be sure I changed it, with no change. So I drive around like normal stop the car and lock it. No priming sound. My best guess is the sound starts about 20 minutes after locking the car.

    Some extra info.
    Car locks perfectly.
    All lights are off.
    Fuel economy is good.
    Power is factory standard.
    Literally other than this it is fine.

    If anyone has ever experienced this and has a fix I'd be super great full as currently I'm removing the fuse at night to avoid battery drain.
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  • #2
    That's a pretty weird issue, what's the fuse number you are pulling?

    I will check out the wiring diagrams tonight, but if I remember correctly, the BCM controls the fuel pump module under the rear seats.
    I would be testing the input to the enable signal at the pump module and be seeing if the BCM is commanding the pump on.
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    • #3
      I think fuse 27
      Last edited by VW_R36suit; 07-06-2023, 02:41 PM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MIG View Post
        That's a pretty weird issue, what's the fuse number you are pulling?

        I will check out the wiring diagrams tonight, but if I remember correctly, the BCM controls the fuel pump module under the rear seats.
        I would be testing the input to the enable signal at the pump module and be seeing if the BCM is commanding the pump on.
        I think fuse 27? Was complicated reading it backwards as all the fuse diagrams where LHD.

        I can run a test for errors as I have the OBD11
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        • #5
          SC27 feeds the fuel pump module directly; that's the one under the back seats.

          Here is the pinout of the module,

          Pin 1 = Power in (SC27)
          Pin 2 = ECU PWM
          Pin 3 = Power in (SC10)
          Pin 4 = Fuel gauge out
          Pin 5 = Gnd (Control)
          Pin 6 = Gnd (Pump) Click image for larger version

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          Pin 7 = BCM pin T52b/38 pump enable
          Pin 8 = Fuel gauge two out (AWD only)

          I would check to see if a signal is present on pins 2 and 7 when the unit starts to prime itself.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by MIG View Post
            SC27 feeds the fuel pump module directly; that's the one under the back seats.

            Here is the pinout of the module,

            Pin 1 = Power in (SC27)
            Pin 2 = ECU PWM
            Pin 3 = Power in (SC10)
            Pin 4 = Fuel gauge out
            Pin 5 = Gnd (Control)
            Pin 6 = Gnd (Pump) [ATTACH=CONFIG]55256[/ATTACH]
            Pin 7 = BCM pin T52b/38 pump enable
            Pin 8 = Fuel gauge two out (AWD only)

            I would check to see if a signal is present on pins 2 and 7 when the unit starts to prime itself.
            I have seen a few videos on YouTube of this module getting replaced.

            What type of tools would you recommend?

            Thanks super appreciate the help.
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            • #7
              A cheap multimeter and some T-Pins to back probe the connector should be plenty to troubleshoot the issue.

              Check out this YouTube channel; this guy goes over troubleshooting different modules etc
              DiagnoseDan - YouTube
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              • #8
                Originally posted by MIG View Post
                A cheap multimeter and some T-Pins to back probe the connector should be plenty to troubleshoot the issue.

                Check out this YouTube channel; this guy goes over troubleshooting different modules etc
                DiagnoseDan - YouTube
                Really appreciate the help.

                Will take me some time to gwt around to this, so hopefully next week. Have 2 children with car seats and best to start next week.
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                • #9
                  I checked the OBD11 scan for error ans got tbis

                  Fuel pump relay - open circuit/short circuit to ground?
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                  • #10
                    Have you got the full scan results?

                    It's pointing to the most likely cause being the fuel pump module, but I would want to test it to be sure, don't want to throw the parts cannon at it
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MIG View Post
                      Have you got the full scan results?

                      It's pointing to the most likely cause being the fuel pump module, but I would want to test it to be sure, don't want to throw the parts cannon at it
                      Its big lol

                      Some are easily explained. I've converted interior to LED, changed the mirrors also, and and externally all changed except the driving/Parker/highs.

                      Also my parking sensors haven't been fixed from my accident. They actually returned my car without fixing it, and have to this date haven't managed to get them operational. Insurance company is well onto them for bad repairs.

                      Ok here is the lisr reduced down to fit. All errors included.

                      OBDeleven vehicle history log

                      Date: 2023-06-14 11:16

                      VIN: WVWZZZ3CZCE132682
                      Car: Volkswagen Passat
                      Year: 2012
                      Body type: Variant
                      Engine: BWS
                      Mileage: 148980 KM

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 01 Engine
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: 3,6 FSI EU5
                      Software number: 03H906023L
                      Software version: 2758
                      Hardware number: 03H907309A
                      Hardware version: H04
                      Serial number: 00000000000000
                      ODX name: EV_ECM36FSI01103H906023L
                      ODX version: 002011
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 02 Transmission
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: GSG DSG AG6 512
                      Software number: 02E300014C
                      Software version: 3102
                      Hardware number: 02E927770AL
                      Hardware version: F10
                      Serial number: 00001111240875
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 03 Brakes
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: J104 C2 450M VECB
                      Software number: 3AA614109AJ
                      Software version: 0023
                      Hardware number: 3AA614109AJ
                      Hardware version: K03
                      Serial number: 00000005255230
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 08 Air Conditioning
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: Climatronic
                      Software number: 3AA907044C
                      Software version: 0101
                      Hardware number: 3AA907044C
                      Hardware version: H03
                      ODX name: EV_Climatronic
                      ODX version: A01010
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 09 Central Electrics
                      Active faults: 4
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: BCM PQ47 H
                      Software number: 3AA937087G
                      Software version: 0464
                      Hardware number: 3AA937087G
                      Hardware version: 421
                      Faults:
                      00984 - Left Tail Light Lamp Open circuit/short circuit to B+
                      static
                      Priority: 2
                      Frequency counter: 1
                      Driving cycle: 192
                      Mileage: 148642 km
                      00985 - Right Tail Light Lamp Open circuit/short circuit to B+
                      static
                      Priority: 2
                      Frequency counter: 1
                      Driving cycle: 192
                      Mileage: 148642 km
                      01259 - Fuel pump relay Open circuit/short circuit to ground
                      Intermittent
                      Priority: 5
                      Frequency counter: 2
                      Driving cycle: 235
                      Mileage: 148645 km
                      01519 - Right back-up light bulb Open circuit/short circuit to B+
                      static
                      Priority: 2
                      Frequency counter: 1
                      Driving cycle: 192
                      Mileage: 148642 km


                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 10 Parking Assistance
                      Active faults: 6
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: PARKHILFE PLA
                      Software number: 3AA919475L
                      Software version: 0025
                      Hardware number: 4H0919475E
                      Hardware version: H06
                      Serial number: 56261201901792
                      ODX name: EV_EPHVA2C000000000
                      ODX version: 002008
                      Faults:
                      B107631 - Left rear park assist sensors No signal
                      static
                      Mileage: 148644 km
                      Priority: 3
                      Malfunction frequency counter: 1
                      Unlearning counter: 192
                      B107931 - Right rear park assist sensors No signal
                      static
                      Mileage: 148644 km
                      Priority: 3
                      Malfunction frequency counter: 1
                      Unlearning counter: 192
                      B107731 - Center left rear park assist sensors No signal
                      static
                      Mileage: 148644 km
                      Priority: 3
                      Malfunction frequency counter: 1
                      Unlearning counter: 192
                      B107831 - Center right rear park assist sensors No signal
                      static
                      Mileage: 148644 km
                      Priority: 3
                      Malfunction frequency counter: 1
                      Unlearning counter: 192
                      B107D31 - Side left rear park assist sensors No signal
                      static
                      Mileage: 148644 km
                      Priority: 3
                      Malfunction frequency counter: 1
                      Unlearning counter: 192
                      B107E31 - Side right rear park assist sensors No signal
                      static
                      Mileage: 148644 km
                      Priority: 3
                      Malfunction frequency counter: 1
                      Unlearning counter: 192


                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 13 Adaptive Cruise Control
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: AC201 RDW A 036
                      Software number: 3AA907567A
                      Software version: 0170
                      Hardware number: 3AA907567
                      Hardware version: 000
                      Serial number: 00000000530614
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 14 Wheel Dampening
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: DAEMPFUNGS-SG
                      Software number: 3C0907376A
                      Software version: 0071
                      Hardware number: 3C0907376
                      Hardware version: H07
                      Serial number: 11011203850002
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04



                      Fault
                      Control unit: 17 Dashboard
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: KOMBI
                      Software number: 3AA920870C
                      Software version: 0609
                      Hardware number: 3AA920870C
                      Hardware version: H03
                      Serial number: 00000000000000
                      ODX name: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09
                      ODX version: A04114
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 19 Gateway
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: J533 Gateway
                      Software number: 7N0907530Q
                      Software version: 1623
                      Hardware number: 1K0907951
                      Hardware version: H41
                      Serial number: 060112F2002111
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 22 All Wheel Control
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: Haldex 4Motion
                      Software number: 0BS907554C
                      Software version: 4016
                      Hardware number: 0BS907554C
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04
                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 25 Immobilizer
                      Active faults: 1
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: IMMO 043
                      Software number: 3AA959433
                      Software version: 0400
                      Hardware number: 3AA959433
                      Hardware version: 008
                      Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
                      Faults:
                      02811 - Electronic steering column lock control module Faulty
                      Intermittent
                      Priority: 1
                      Frequency counter: 1
                      Driving cycle: 232
                      Mileage: 148644 km


                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
                      Fault
                      Control unit: 2E Media Player 3
                      Active faults: 0
                      Inactive faults: 0
                      System description: SG EXT.PLAYER
                      Software number: 5N0035342E
                      Software version: 0240
                      Hardware number: 5N0035342E
                      Hardware version: H13
                      Serial number: 7661686206
                      Faults:
                      No trouble codes found

                      Mileage: 148860 km
                      Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                      -----
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                        Hardware number: 3AA959433
                        Hardware version: 008
                        Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
                        Faults:
                        No trouble codes found

                        Mileage: 148860 km
                        Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                        Fault
                        Control unit: 4F Central Electrics 2
                        Active faults: 0
                        Inactive faults: 0
                        System description: EZE_2
                        Software number: 7N0907532
                        Software version: 1623
                        Hardware number: 1K0907951
                        Hardware version: H41
                        Serial number: 060112F2002111
                        Faults:
                        No trouble codes found

                        Mileage: 148860 km
                        Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                        Fault
                        Control unit: 52 Passenger Door
                        Active faults: 1
                        Inactive faults: 0
                        System description: TUER-SG BT
                        Software number: 3AA959702A
                        Software version: 0534
                        Hardware number: 3C0959792C
                        Hardware version: 002
                        Serial number: 0004221753
                        ODX name: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X
                        ODX version: A04001
                        Faults:
                        B11F501 - Front door warning light Electrical error
                        static
                        Mileage: 148645 km
                        Priority: 2
                        Malfunction frequency counter: 1
                        Unlearning counter: 193


                        Mileage: 148860 km
                        Date: 2023-06-10 14:04


                        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                        Fault
                        Control unit: 61 Battery Regulation
                        Active faults: 1
                        Inactive faults: 0
                        System description: Batt.regelung
                        Software number: 7N0907534
                        Software version: 1623
                        Hardware number: 1K0907951
                        Hardware version: H41
                        Serial number: 060112F2002111
                        Faults:
                        02256 - Static current Upper limit exceeded
                        Intermittent
                        Priority: 7
                        Frequency counter: 3
                        Driving cycle: 237
                        Mileage: 148642 km


                        Mileage: 148860 km
                        Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                        ------

                        Fault
                        Control unit: 36 Driver Seat
                        Active faults: 0
                        Inactive faults: 0
                        System description: Sitzmemory
                        Software number: 3C8959760A
                        Software version: 2601
                        Hardware number: 3C8959760A
                        Hardware version: H05
                        Faults:
                        No trouble codes found

                        Mileage: 148860 km
                        Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                        -----
                        Fault
                        Control unit: 42 Driver Door
                        Active faults: 0
                        Inactive faults: 0
                        System description: TUER-SG FT
                        Software number: 3AA959701A
                        Software version: 0534
                        Hardware number: 3C0959793C
                        Hardware version: 002
                        Serial number: 0004231783
                        ODX name: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X
                        ODX version: A04001
                        Faults:
                        No trouble codes found

                        Mileage: 148860 km
                        Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                        -----
                        Fault
                        Control unit: 44 Steering Assistance
                        Active faults: 2
                        Inactive faults: 0
                        System description: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 207
                        Software number: 1K0909144P
                        Software version: 3305
                        Faults:
                        16353 - Control module Faulty
                        static
                        Priority: 6
                        Frequency counter: 1
                        Driving cycle: 71
                        Mileage: 81151 km
                        16355 - Control module Faulty
                        Intermittent
                        Priority: 6
                        Frequency counter: 1
                        Driving cycle: 255
                        Mileage: 81151 km


                        Mileage: 148860 km
                        Date: 2023-06-10 14:04

                        -----
                        Fault
                        Control unit: 46 Comfort System
                        Active faults: 0
                        Inactive faults: 0
                        System description: KSG PQ47 ELV 043
                        Software number: 3AA959433
                        Software version: 0634
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by VW_R36suit View Post

                          01259 - Fuel pump relay Open circuit/short circuit to ground
                          Intermittent

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                          Based on that scan log, it looks to be more and more likely the fuel pump module, 2nd hand ones on eBay are not that expensive if you want to test swapping it out.


                          Originally posted by VW_R36suit View Post

                          Also my parking sensors haven't been fixed from my accident. They actually returned my car without fixing it, and have to this date haven't managed to get them operational. Insurance company is well onto them for bad repairs.

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                          Look under the rear bumper on the driver's side, there is a gap between under so you don't have to remove the bumper and see if they forgot to connect the wiring harness, here is what it looks like.

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                          One connector is for the lights and the other is for the parking sensors.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MIG View Post
                            Based on that scan log, it looks to be more and more likely the fuel pump module, 2nd hand ones on eBay are not that expensive if you want to test swapping it out.




                            Look under the rear bumper on the driver's side, there is a gap between under so you don't have to remove the bumper and see if they forgot to connect the wiring harness, here is what it looks like.

                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]55270[/ATTACH]

                            One connector is for the lights and the other is for the parking sensors.
                            Had a battle to see up the gap, was wiggling all around but only found 1 connection that was connected. I see your picture which clearly shows both are attached to each other but for the life of me I just couldn't see another plug up there.
                            Also my repairer claims he can fix the issue without a problem, yet had the car for 30 days and couldn't work out the issue then😔

                            With thw fuel module is there a specific one I'll need for my car?
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                            • #15
                              The part number you are looking for is 3c0906093c
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