Picked up my New Passat Alltrack!

[AllBlack]

so far, with now 450 on the clock, I'm down to half a tank with the MFD showing 7.1L/100. 70% city, 30% highway however I'm certainly not analysing this first 1000km data. Looking forward to it loosening up a little!!

[Marakai]

The car shows an average of 9.1L/100kms. I'm not letting the tank go too low and filling up with 10kms from when the fuel light comes on. When I fill up i've travelled about 650kms and I can only fit about 62L in the tank. On the hwy I was averaging about 5.1l/100kms.

That's pretty high even for the city (the MFD notoriously lies and you need to add at least 0.5L and up to 10% consumption). Be interesting if and how it drops over time. However, the highway stats look good!

Have a look here for some Alltrack consumption stats.

As you can see they're largely winter stats (in Germany you'd put on winter tyres) with a fair bit of city and Autobahn.

[manol]

Congrats, the Alltracks look great.
With the amount of driving I do, where I drive and the gear I carry I should get one, but just can't justifiy the costs. I like my B6.

[Spook]

I reckon I would have liked a grey ish brown or green that wasn't quite so dark.

There is also Autumn Brown, which is quite a nice colour. See Toto's car here:

http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/f27/our-new-passat-ours-finally-83504-2.html

[drad81]

I do have a heavy foot and often find myself using the paddle shift

There is also Autumn Brown, which is quite a nice colour. See Toto's car here:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...y-83504-2.html

My fav colour if I was going for the Passat wagon. The wife like the darker colour so the extra trim bits (wheel arches etc) didn't stand out as much. That's why we went with Icelandic Grey.

AllBlack, you using the pano roof much? I always have the sun blind open unless it's parked outside in the sun and have the roof open when ever I get the chance.

[Wigspotter]

There is also Autumn Brown, which is quite a nice colour. See Toto's car here:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...y-83504-2.html

Was thinking more like Ford's Archon Bronze: http://farm4.dealernet.com.au/stock/...E48CABD262.jpg

Black Oak Brown is quite dark and was thinking contrast reduction (like drad81's mrs)... They're all pretty safe colours though. Volvo has some interesting colours for it's cross-country xc70. I'm sure we'll be happy enough.

[nyc863]

That's pretty high even for the city (the MFD notoriously lies and you need to add at least 0.5L and up to 10% consumption). Be interesting if and how it drops over time. However, the highway stats look good!

My conclusion after watching consumption carefully now for 5000 kms -- 10/100km for city isn't bad for alltrack in the city.

My usage pattern is this:

Urban, sequential short trips (we live at the coast so every trip is a moderate hill for the first 2km): 13l/100km, full tank range: 500km
Urban, longer trip allowing full warm up, for example 30 minutes, average speed maybe 25kmh: 10.5l/100km
Urban, but on faster roads: 9l/100km
Highway, country drive, mostly 90 to 100kmh: sub 6l/100km, full tank range indicated: 1100km
Highway, 110kmh: just over 6l/100km, full tank range indicated: 900km

So if the usage pattern is just urban sequential short trips for several weeks the alltrack is going to indicate 12 to 13l/100km for a tank

I can compare this consumption directly with a 147kw DSG Skoda Octavia RS Wagon that was our last car, it will do 11l/100km on petrol for the worst case usage, but highway long trips won't get below 7l/100km

To be frank I'm actually surprised how poor the consumption is for city short trip use, we drive gently. Diesel has more energy per liter than petrol, and diesel engines are more efficient as well. Stop/start and coasting is something the Skoda does not have, the gear box is identical. The weight is 1706kg vs the skoda at ~1400kg.
For city driving, aerodynamics isn't a factor so the only factor is this 300kg of extra weight plus the haldex, plus perhaps the diesel does not come to operating temperature nearly as fast as the petrol (although stop/start is enabled immediately which makes me wonder why, if cold engines run inefficiently).

I guess while I am satisfied with the long distance consumption figures, I was hoping the short trip consumption was not going to be WORSE than a performance petrol wagon, but it appears that it is going to be that way. Oh well.

Luckily, it only takes one long country trip to bring down the ownership consumption. For example, despite regularly seeing this 13/100km figure on the trip 1 meter, a few long trips interstate since we bought it a month ago have brought the since-purchase consumption figure down to 7.5/100km.

[Marakai]

Alltrack consumption is actually a bit of a sore point on the German forums: it's indeed perceived to be excessively high when taking all comparison factors to your "normal" B7 into account - weight, 4WD, DSG, tyres, height etc. There's a lot of speculation, because there's no obvious cause for the large difference and VW Deutschland is in denial, merely blaming drivers.

Also, few of those drivers have more than 10K, never mind 30K on the odometer, which are supposedly notable markers for improvement.

Software upgrades and the 130kW uptick were supposed to improve consumption somewhat.

Maybe one day I'll find out myself

[davo]

Software upgrades and the 130kW uptick were supposed to improve consumption somewhat.

Interestingly, the Alltrack was the only Passat variant that didn't get an official improvement in consumption with the 130kW upgrade. The standard Passat wagon and CC both got 0.3 L/100km improvement and the sedan got 0.1 L/100km (see e.g. 2013 Volkswagen Passat 2.0 TDI gets power boost - PerformanceDrive). Anyone have any idea why that would be?

[nyc863]

I can kind of see why there is some head scratching.

Briefly, over two months, I was the owner of a new ML350 diesel which is also four wheel drive, is a lot heavier (2175kg) and has a larger frontal area than the alltrack, it had 6 cylinders and 3 liters, adblue, and a torque converter gearbox with stop/start. On paper the alltrack should be much more fugal.

The reality was the ML350 was only a tad more thirsty. I could get 6l/100km for end to end country trips, 9l/100km for longer city trips and, yes, 13 to 15l/100km for sequential short trips. No ML350 owner would wonder where the fuel goes you just have to look at the weight and size to understand it is burning every last hydrocarbon.

The A4 allroad with 2.0 TDI is rated by whatcar with a town mpg of 40.9 (6.9l/100km) and out of town 53.3 (5.3/100km) with a 64L tank and a range of 687 miles. Shouldn't the alltrack return identical figures real world to an A4 allroad ?

[Marakai]

Well here's an interesting snippet:

+ Kombi braucht ca. 0,5 l mehr

+ Allrad braucht ca. 1,0 l mehr

+ Alltrack braucht ca. 0,5 l mehr, da hoch, schwerer und breitere Reifen

+ DSG braucht ca. 0,5 l mehr

Translation:

Compared to a B7 Passat Sedan consumption baseline, add:

+ 0.5L for Wagon
+ 1.0L for 4WD
+ 0.5L for increased height, weight and broader tyres
+ 0.5L for DSG (many if not most Passats in Germany are manual)

[AllBlack]

I do have a heavy foot and often find myself using the paddle shift




My fav colour if I was going for the Passat wagon. The wife like the darker colour so the extra trim bits (wheel arches etc) didn't stand out as much. That's why we went with Icelandic Grey.

AllBlack, you using the pano roof much? I always have the sun blind open unless it's parked outside in the sun and have the roof open when ever I get the chance.

I generally always have the pano roof on tilt and when the sun shines, open it up however here in Melbourne, I'm thinking my roof will be closed for the next few months. Blind button is not one I use, it stays open at all times.

[WestOiler125]

Re: Picked up my New Passat Alltrack!

Consumption is comparable to my B6 Passat, around 7-7.5l/100km in Perth city. Love the extra features, although stop-start isn't one of them!

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[Wigspotter]

Just got the call. New wheels are ready for pickup! Now I just need to find some time to go get it...

[AllBlack]

Hope to see some photos soon. Let us know if you be anything when you pick it up. I expected a bottle of wine, perhaps a small hamper... Nothing!! Even buying a captiva or a falcon entitles you to a gift from the dealer but 50k got me zip!