130kW Passat since Jan 2013?

[drad81]

I've read that there's a reprogram for the dsg boxes that removes the limiter so you can make use of the 400Nm + some tunes offer.

[Marakai]

I've read that there's a reprogram for the dsg boxes that removes the limiter so you can make use of the 400Nm + some tunes offer.

What would be of concern to me is that the Passat DSG is rated for 350NM. Or was, at least. So, putting 400NM on it, might not be wise. Unless that is simply a conservative number which VW has now increased to at least 380NM without any further changes. It's conceivable that Jan'13 models onward actually receive a new DSG transmission built for the higher torque, I wouldn't know.

[booba]

The DSG gearbox is capable of handling much more than 350nm, 380nm or even 400nm. I would guess that it is the same box.

[brad]

It's a rating just like take-off weight on a new model aircraft, thrust rating of a new type gas turbine, ETOPS time, bridge load ratings, maximum RPM of a diesel, etc.

Once the device has passed a given set of engineering parameters, the manufacturer may choose to upgrade (or downgrade) the rating. They may even upgrade one specification while downgrading another eg: Maximum RPM on a 16 cylinder Cummins might be bumped 1500rpm but the total time at that speed may be limited to 5 minutes with a minimum low rpm time of 30 minutes between cycles. There may also be some minor engineering changes associated with the change of rating but not a redesign or new model.

[Marakai]

The DSG gearbox is capable of handling much more than 350nm, 380nm or even 400nm. I would guess that it is the same box.

Trawling with google, it's a matter of "officially" vs. not. VW approved them for 350NM. That doesn't mean chip tuners and drivers weren't successfully going higher. The highest I found was 660NM! Note that I too think it's the same one, I was simply listing the possibilities, no matter how unlikely. Professional hazard.

[Marakai]

It's a rating just like take-off weight on a new model aircraft, thrust rating of a new type gas turbine, ETOPS time, bridge load ratings, maximum RPM of a diesel, etc.

Except, of course, in aviation they have WAAAAAY higher tolerances and margins for error.

[brad]

Except, of course, in aviation they have WAAAAAY higher tolerances and margins for error.

If by higher tolerances you mean that things are over-engineered, this is not the case. If everything was over-engineered & "a bit stronger than it needs to be" then a 747 or A380 would never get off the ground & they'd need a lot less preventative maintenance (crack detection, etc). OTOH, if you mean closer tolerances, then yes, they probably do.

They design something but they aren't quite sure just how much stress it can take in a real life situation, so they rate it conservitavly & put it into service & then use an in-service monitoring & auditing process to assess wear & failure & gradually uprate the service parameters.

[drad81]

Anyone know what dsg box is used in the alltrack? Is it the same one as the Touareg? (since it uses the same AWD system I thought this might be the case)

[phaeton]

6-speed DSG in Alltrack.
Touareg has an 8 speed ZF made transmission.

[toto]

Just picked up my Passat this evening and in the service manual is a computer print out that states 130kw....anyone know how to confirm this?

[Marakai]

Just picked up my Passat this evening and in the service manual is a computer print out that states 130kw....anyone know how to confirm this?

Was it built Jan 2013 or later? That's when they updated the engine, IIRC (or was that only the 4Motions and DSGs that were updated in January while the 2wheelers and/or manuals were done before?)

[Eaglehawk]

CarPoint have now got the details of the new model:

Type 3C Alltrack Wagon 4dr DSG 6sp 4-Motion 2.0DT [MY13.5]

Power: 130kW @ 4200rpm
Torque: 380Nm @ 1750-2500rpm

[toto]

Seems to be a lotto at the moment PHA and mine came on same boat, both built Dec 12 yet his is the 125kw and mine is 130kw motor.

Anyone buying current stock would be wise to push for greater discounts if it's the 125kw model now that the 130kw models are now in the country (albeit randomly)

[Marakai]

Going back into the thread history on the German forums, which linked to the VW configurators there, apparently the 130 update was first applied to manual 2WD, then the DSG 2WD and finally the DSG 4WD (dunno about manual 4WD as I didn't look). The changes were phased in between November '12 and January '13.

Have not found anything regarding when and where the upgrade was applied along split between wagons and sedans and/or production location, i.e. Emden and Mosel. Note, all wagons are made in Emden, however sedans are split between the two plants.

So, it does seem a bit of a crapshoot.

[toto]

On the additional plus side to the extra power and torque, we had to get our insurance ammended tonight as it was insured as a MY13 125tdi (as dealer originally quoted us). After changing the details to a MY13.5 (everything else identical obviously) our premium dropped by nearly 10%. We were not expecting that, we were expecting it to jump so we were pleasantly surprised.