Speed Cameras and Radars

[kgbAgent]

Hi

Don't know if this is on the banned topic list .... but (as they are legal in WA) I cant see why it would be .... does anyone actually use radar detectors hypothetically ?

What got me thinking was the dealer telling me that I would need points on my license when I get the r36 this week. A few mates in NZ use detectors/ jammers all the time.

So I went to and found this interesting read

http://www.delonixradar.com.au/victoria/

That relates to VIC but if u go back to the homepage it should cover ur area as well

Is it worth the investment in these ?

[kgbAgent]

This bit is worth remembering:

If I wasn't speeding, how can I challenge/beat a speeding fine?

If you have been booked for speeding, and you were, then you should face the music and cough-up. But what if you weren't actually speeding?

Remember that when you are pulled over and booked for speeding, the incident is alleged… not proven! The following rules will ensure you do not make the mistake of answering the police’s questions the wrong way.

Quite often the first question a policeman asks you is "Do you know why I pulled you over"? Here, the policeman is looking for an admission of guilt. By answering him "because I was going too fast?" immediately incriminates you by admitting you were speeding (even if you weren't).

The other question commonly asked by a policeman when he pulls you over is "Why were you speeding?" Again, he or she is looking for an admission of guilt. Do not admit that you were speeding or may have been speeding. There will be no chance of defending yourself in court later on. Remember that you are not under arrest and your only obligation is to hand over your driving license and registration.

Remember the 3 rules when pulled over:

Rule number one is your answer to the question, "Why were you speeding?" Simply reply:

"I was not speeding Officer, I was sitting exactly on the posted speed limit"

Rule number two is your answer to the Officer if he persists in repeating question 1 by saying his equipment (Radar / Laser) has shown that you were speeding. Simply reply,

"I was not speeding Officer, if your equipment says I was then I would strongly suggest that it is faulty. Will you show me the last infringement notice you issued so I may compare to see if their speed was the same as the one you are claiming I was doing?"

In most cases, the policeman will show you your reading but refuse to show you his or her previous infringement fine, citing that he is not obliged to do so.

The third rule is perhaps the most important of all. Under the National Safety Committee guidelines for the use and implementation of Police Speed detection devices, the police are only supposed to be operating them in known "Black Spot" or high accident areas. Innocently ask the question to the policeman,,

"Why are you operating this speed detection device in this area? Is it a known black spot or high accident risk area?"

If you follow the above rules you will stand a good chance of winning your case in court should you wish to defend the infringement. The justice system is there for all of us, not just the police. If you win it costs you nothing! For further information and consultancy about how to defend yourself against and a police Laser (lidar) gun , the mobile radar or a speed camera, contact speeding fine consultants

Remember that when you are pulled over and booked for speeding the incident is alleged…. not proven!

[coastie]

[QUOTE=kgbAgent;423748]Remember that you are not under arrest and your only obligation is to hand over your driving license and registration.

If you are on an open license in QLD you have 48 hours to produce it to a Police station but you must state you name and current address when required is your only obligation.

If you lose it will also cost you court costs.

[Rocket36]

The third rule is perhaps the most important of all. Under the National Safety Committee guidelines for the use and implementation of Police Speed detection devices, the police are only supposed to be operating them in known "Black Spot" or high accident areas. Innocently ask the question to the policeman,,

"Why are you operating this speed detection device in this area? Is it a known black spot or high accident risk area?"

How is that point "the most important of all" when it's only a guideline? Police can check the speed of any vehicle on any public road at any time of the day or night, and if the legal limit is being broken they can issue an infringment notice. They don't have to speak to you if they don't want to but since most people answer the first question wrong it just makes their job easier.

[kgbAgent]

How is that point "the most important of all" when it's only a guideline?

If you intend defending the supposed infringement then the police's answer (or silence) could be of relevance. I dont see any reference to it being a 'guideline' - it states 'Remember the 3 rules when pulled over'

No need to get antsy people - I neither condone nor endorse the article

There are quite a few lawyers * consultants who are focused on the area of traffic defense nowadays. For example check this guy out : http://www.trafficlaw.com.au/index.html

Most of us have seen a radar trap catching ppl going downhill --- some of us may wish to defend it. Read and take what you want out of it --- I ain't going to argue one way or the other

[kgbAgent]

For VIC especially

http://trafficlaw.com.au/your.rights.html

[Rocket36]

Not getting "antsy"... Just commenting.

It says Under the National Safety Committee guidelines for the use and implementation of Police Speed detection devices, the police are only supposed to be operating them in known "Black Spot" or high accident areas.

So what? That has nothing to do with the legalities of speeding or the penalties imposed on those who have been caught speeding.

You rights? Who cares? Suck it up if you have broken the law and been caught you will be penalised for it. Deal with it.

Note: Just so everyone is clear, I am not being "antsy" or anything like that. Just making comment from my point of view. Nothing I have said is in any way directed at any specific individual.

[Rocket36]

http://trafficlaw.com.au/your.rights.html

Be careful with that website. There is some quite misleading information there... Just spent a few minutes reading around the place and WOA!!! Remind me never to have "S.P. Hardy" represent me. The judge will spend too much time laughing. lol

Just a couple of quick examples, under ACT Legislation (which I have read) it is ILLEGAL to park on a footath. The website provides contradictory information. The website refers to "Motor Vehicle Accidents" when legally, no such thing exists. They are all legally referred to as "crashes". There is ALWAYS prior opportunity to take preventative action in order to avoid a crash - ALWAYS.

[kgbAgent]

Be careful with that website. There is some quite misleading information there... Just spent a few minutes reading around the place and WOA!!! Remind me never to have "S.P. Hardy" represent me. The judge will spend too much time laughing. lol

I dont seem to remember you claiming to be a member of the legal profession but it definitely reinforces the view that I wont have you represent me

Just a couple of quick examples, under ACT Legislation (which I have read) it is ILLEGAL to park on a footath. The website provides contradictory information. The website refers to "Motor Vehicle Accidents" when legally, no such thing exists. They are all legally referred to as "crashes". There is ALWAYS prior opportunity to take preventative action in order to avoid a crash - ALWAYS.

It may help if you read the title of the post that said "For Vic especially" before getting on your soapbox. The ACT is not even a State so your laws are different for a start -- you may have noticed the legal difference those lonely nights whilst reading the ACT Legislation under the bedcovers with a torch

In Victoria it is quite legal (in circumstances) to park on a footpath. In addition "crashes" is an American term and here we are not called Victoria for nothing - we have laws derived from the UK. The legal definition here is 'Motor Vehicle Accident' - this provides a case of difference as opposed to 2 sheep colliding with a bicycle.

There is ALWAYS prior opportunity to take preventative action in order to avoid a crash - ALWAYS.

Not if I dropped my lighter on that girl in my lap while trying to light my bong & not spill my beer as well ---- more than enuf going on without you other road users being slack

[kgbAgent]

You rights? Who cares? Suck it up if you have broken the law and been caught you will be penalised for it. Deal with it.

Note: Just so everyone is clear, I am not being "antsy" or anything like that. Just making comment from my point of view. Nothing I have said is in any way directed at any specific individual.

Sometimes Rocket when reading your posts I suspect you are Godwin Grech and you now have too much time on your hands

My rights, as are the rights of all other citizens under the Constitution, are eggsackly what we should care about !!! If you blindly believe that the Government & it's authorities are never wrong then you are deluding yourself. There are myriad examples of where the State has got it wrong & even more where abuses of power have been committed by agents of the State (see Royal Commissions relating to this).

As regards your "Note" (slash 'Disclaimer') --- I have always made an assumption that all your posted "comment from my point of view" is the case. I know that the keyboard and the screen can make it difficult to differentiate 'tone' but it seems that you Rocket have caused a few complaints with your style of correspondence.

Cheers

[Pana]

a guy I know has a "stealth" detector he brought back from the States - I've been in the car where he has used it, its picked up radar from a cop car and they didnt detect it being used. this was a couple of years ago though...

[Rocket36]

As regards your "Note" (slash 'Disclaimer') --- I have always made an assumption that all your posted "comment from my point of view" is the case. I know that the keyboard and the screen can make it difficult to differentiate 'tone' but it seems that you Rocket have caused a few complaints with your style of correspondence.

And since so many people seem to mis-interpret my posts, I added that bit so there was ZERO chance of it happening this time. I say what I say - even if it is wrong (which I never care about anyway). People don't have to like or agree with it but it'd be nice if they accepted it rather than treating it as a personal attack. After all, I accept what other people say, even if I don't always like or agree with it. They're entitled to their opinion - even if it is wrong! LOL


And if you missed the joke, I can't do anything about that!


Anyway, back to one of your points, example is quite flawed. There are any number of things that could have been done to avoid a crash resulting from those circumstances. And even with regard to the "component failure" argument regarding "crash or accident", the manufacturer of the part that failed could have taken action to avoid the resulting crash, or someone who inspected it and signed off on it, someone who signed off on the vehicle being roadwothy. As unfortunate and unlucky as all crashes are, they are never accidents. There is ALWAYS something that could have been done to prevent it.


[edit] and I will admit I missed the part about it being for Victoria only. Makes more sense now but there's still a lot of advice on that website that should be taken with a grain of salt.

[gead]

I will admit

hallelujah

[apom]

I suppose this is really a question of where each and everyone of us has their own boundaries.

People with R36's obviously like to go fast (or faster than some others) but that doesn't mean we all speed, or speed all the time. Some like to drift around roundabouts and others are horrified at the idea! People with diesels obviously are all about economy and torque (and other practical things I cant think of not having one or a matching cardigan).

Being a contributor to this forum really means the only thing we ALL have in common is an great enthusiasm bought together by our current choice of wheels. To my mind, I think we can all respect each others opinion and object as passionately as one sees fit to the current discussion we will all enjoy the ride.

As soon as you think the other guy is a d***head, don't let is phase you....he or she is probably thinking the same thing about you!

[passatpout]

As soon as you think the other guy is a d***head, don't let is phase you....he or she is probably thinking the same thing about you!

Funny, I was saying to a guy at work today, if you think one person is an idiot, they probably are, if you think 2 people are idiots, they could be, but if you think 10 people are, it's not them....