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    One of the front tyres of my 9 month old 125TDI hit a nail the other day (I have done only 5200km). It went completely flat when I noticed the wobbling. The tyre pressure indicator has never gone off. I read from the forum that the indcator needs to be set. I would expect the dealer has set that up when I collect the car! Not happy...

    Kmart told me the tyre has too much damage and needs to be replaced and the Continental tyre will cost $488 fitted. Is this a fair price? Any recomendationson tyre dealers?
    Last edited by sylvester; 25-03-2009, 04:58 PM.

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    Originally posted by sylvester View Post
    One of the front tyres of my 9 month old 125TDI hit a nail the other day (I have done only 5200km). It went completely flat when I noticed the wobbling. The tyre pressure indicator has never gone off. I read from the forum that the indcator needs to be set. I would expect the dealer has set that up when I collect the car! Not happy...

    Kmart told me the tyre has too much damage and needs to be replaced and the Continental tyre will cost $488 fitted. Is this a fair price?
    i'm guessing its a 235/45/17 conti csc2? should be able to get a bit cheaper than that. ring around. bummer about the tyre.
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    • #3
      I had a similar problem with a builder's nail in the sidewall of my front left tyre. Beaurepairs said it was unrepairable and a new Conty was going to set me back $400+. The guy there suggested I go for a similar Dunlop which I use as the spare. This cost half as much. The low pressure gauge worked as it should alerting me to the slow leak in the first instance.

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      • #4
        the tyre pressure monitor only works for slow leaks as you have to drive for a while at the reduced pressure from memory.
        I think its assumed that if your tyre deflates dramatically then you should be able to notice it anyways.

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        • #5
          Sorry if this sounds harsh but I don't really think it's fair to blame the dealer. You should NEVER take it for granted that the dealer has done anything.

          ALWAYS check things for yourself. After all, it's your car.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Autopia View Post
            Sorry if this sounds harsh but I don't really think it's fair to blame the dealer. You should NEVER take it for granted that the dealer has done anything.

            ALWAYS check things for yourself. After all, it's your car.
            We are not talking about a $3000 Tata here so there is a level of expectation of service. Besides, there are easy things to check but some are much harder and you do rely on the 'expert'. To the extreme: Have you check your airbag? If it doesn't work when it needs to, I wonder if you will still say the same...

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            • #7
              I'm not sure this is necessarily a dealer problem.

              As Tim says, the tyre pressure monitor only works for slow leaks as it compares individual wheel rotations over a period of time and warns of any discrepancies. If the tyre deflated suddenly you would not expect a warning as the tyre monitor is not designed to warn of sudden tyre deflation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sylvester View Post
                To the extreme: Have you check your airbag?
                Yeah, I went to the servo and checked all my airbags were pumped up properly.......

                Tyres are pumped up to extreme pressures for shipping, and it has been known for dealers to overlook letting them down.

                It's still the responsibility of the driver to check and adjust tyre pressures and then the sensor needs to be set, it's all in the manual.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gerhard View Post
                  Tyres are pumped up to extreme pressures for shipping, and it has been known for dealers to overlook letting them down.

                  It's still the responsibility of the driver to check and adjust tyre pressures and then the sensor needs to be set, it's all in the manual.
                  If I have driven many km's, I can agree... but I have done only 5000km. It is the responsibility of the dealer to check and adjust tyre pressures, it's all in the delivery checklist. Besides, I have yet to find out if this tyre pressure alert works.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sylvester View Post
                    If I have driven many km's, I can agree... but I have done only 5000km. It is the responsibility of the dealer to check and adjust tyre pressures, it's all in the delivery checklist. Besides, I have yet to find out if this tyre pressure alert works.
                    You haven't checked tyre pressures in 9 months?


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sylvester View Post
                      We are not talking about a $3000 Tata here so there is a level of expectation of service. Besides, there are easy things to check but some are much harder and you do rely on the 'expert'. To the extreme: Have you check your airbag? If it doesn't work when it needs to, I wonder if you will still say the same...
                      Comparing an airbag to a tyre pressure sensor is ridiculous not extreme. One can be set and checked by the owner, the other one can't. There is nothing hard about checking whether tyre pressure sensors have been set. Any driver worth his salt would ensure he checks this kind of thing himself.
                      If you're going to make a comparison make sure you're comparing apples with apples.

                      This kind of complaint really grinds on me. People would rather point the finger of blame at someone else because they are either too lazy or forgetful to do things themselves.

                      The other point being made about fast deflation is also a valid one. These sensors are apparantly not designed to detect rapid deflation so any "set up" by the dealer would have been inconsequential.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by VW Convert View Post
                        I'm not sure this is necessarily a dealer problem.

                        As Tim says, the tyre pressure monitor only works for slow leaks as it compares individual wheel rotations over a period of time and warns of any discrepancies. If the tyre deflated suddenly you would not expect a warning as the tyre monitor is not designed to warn of sudden tyre deflation.

                        Cheers

                        George
                        Slow leak vs quick leak? This is very technical and I don't think that's mentioned in the manual. It only says it may not work "in certain circumstances (eg sporty driving style, winter driving conditions and unpaved roads)". Besides, how slow is slow and how quick is quick... and how quick you can damage your tyre... all a guess work to me.

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                        • #13
                          as i said above. the system is designed to indicate when its time to check your tyre pressures.
                          The abs sensors measure the rolling circumference of your tyres. There is a set tollerance of how much pressure loss will trigger the system. I think its close to 20% or something to that effect.
                          Once the tyre is partially deflated it will allow you to drive 20 kms or so before triggering the alarm.

                          The reason above is why it wont save you from a tyre that deflates quickly such as a major puncture or blowout. Quite likely your tyre pressure monitoring system was set correctly if the deflation was severe enough to make u stop the car within a couple kms

                          the numbers I have used in the above example arent exact. But it will give you some insight into how the system works. I dont think blaming the dealer for you driving on a flat tyre is fair. At the end of the day I think you have just been unlucky
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sylvester View Post
                            Slow leak vs quick leak? This is very technical and I don't think that's mentioned in the manual. It only says it may not work "in certain circumstances (eg sporty driving style, winter driving conditions and unpaved roads)".
                            That says it all, VW does not say that the tyre monitor will detect tyre deflation in all circumstances, there are limitations.
                            Originally posted by sylvester View Post

                            Besides, how slow is slow and how quick is quick... and how quick you can damage your tyre... all a guess work to me.
                            A tyre running flat or significantly under inflated can be damaged extremely quickly, in the case of sudden deflation, often before you have time to stop.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sylvester View Post
                              If I have driven many km's, I can agree... but I have done only 5000km. It is the responsibility of the dealer to check and adjust tyre pressures, it's all in the delivery checklist. Besides, I have yet to find out if this tyre pressure alert works.
                              Sorry, but you can't blame the dealer for you not checking your tyres. It's YOUR responsibility.

                              Even if the dealer is "supposed" to do it, perhaps the teenager who was assigned the task in the predelivery process decided he wouldn't do it because no-one would notice??? Few teenagers accept full responsibility, adults should have grown out of that flaw.

                              I don't fully trust work done by anyone else when my life depends on it. I drove my GTI home from the dealer (1.5km), lfted the bonnet, checked the oil & water, and checked the tyre pressures with my calibrated guage, and set the tpms. Whenever one of my vehicles has been for service, I double check everything they should have touched, to make sure they haven't left something loose, and I loosen and retighten the wheel nuts with a torque wrench so I know they are right.
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