iphone and bluetooth

[jmj]

Hi,
I have a new MY09 Passat Wagon with RNS510 and Bluetooth on order. I will also be updating my mobile phone and am considering the iphone. Does anyone know if the iphone works OK with the Passat's Bluetooth device?

[Swallowtail]

The advanced Bluetooth kit needs an RSAP capable phone, which the iPhone is not. Google "iphone rsap"...

The basic VW bluetooth isn't worth the money, as it doesn't integrate with anything in the car (i.e. RNS510, dash display), and is very limited functionality. Don't bother.

I have ordered my R36 w/o Bluetooth and am planning on fitting one of the Fiscon units (www.kufatec.de). I have also ordered the MDI unit to enable full iPod functionality for my iPhone with the RNS510 (artist display, etc).

EDIT - it's this one that I am getting: http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_i...VW--Skoda.html

It also supports A2DP, which the iPhone will from software 3.0, due later this year, so it will then also play audio over Bluetooth.

[tryingavw]

The advanced Bluetooth kit needs an RSAP capable phone, which the iPhone is not. Google "iphone rsap"...

The basic VW bluetooth isn't worth the money, as it doesn't integrate with anything in the car (i.e. RNS510, dash display), and is very limited functionality. Don't bother.

I have ordered my R36 w/o Bluetooth and am planning on fitting one of the Fiscon units (www.kufatec.de). I have also ordered the MDI unit to enable full iPod functionality for my iPhone with the RNS510 (artist display, etc).

EDIT - it's this one that I am getting: http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_i...VW--Skoda.html

It also supports A2DP, which the iPhone will from software 3.0, due later this year, so it will then also play audio over Bluetooth.

blimey sounds the works.

i would be happy if it reliably just let me take and mke calls!

its a hit and miss affair with both my ( nokia e61) and wifes nokia (basic something) - sometimes it just doesnt work and everything must be reset.

pretty hopeless - rip off for $800.00!

[Swallowtail]

blimey sounds the works.

i would be happy if it reliably just let me take and mke calls!

its a hit and miss affair with both my ( nokia e61) and wifes nokia (basic something) - sometimes it just doesnt work and everything must be reset.

pretty hopeless - rip off for $800.00!

Do you mean the factory bluetooth?

[tryingavw]

Do you mean the factory bluetooth?

yes complete rubbish as far as i'm concerned

[Swallowtail]

That's why I said above - don't bother with it... waste of money. You can get the Fiscon unit from Kufatec shipped to Aus at current exchange rates for about $800, so similar price to the factory (very) basic Bluetooth which is completely crap.

It's apparently easy to fit - pull out the stereo unit from the dash, pull the plug out of the back and fit the Fiscon's connector in between the stereo and the cable, locate the box in there somewhere, run the mike to the top of the steering column.

You need to get VW to do a VAGCOM code change, but ask your dealer nicely they'll do it no problems. Or find someone with VAGCOM to do it for you...

At the comparable price with the hugely better functionality, I know what I'm going to get...

Perhaps if anyone else wants one I should do a group buy, may be able to save a few $... Thoughts anyone?

[Umai Naa!!]

Please be more specific in which VW bluetooth kit you're bagging out They've moved on from the EgoTalk/Parrott junk, and are now using Nokia kits. Also, the Premium kit is on it's way. It can interface with the instrument cluster, as well as the radio unit.

In regards to A2DP, due to the way the car is wired, it will only play in Mono, and with very poor sound quality.

[Swallowtail]

Please be more specific in which VW bluetooth kit you're bagging out They've moved on from the EgoTalk/Parrott junk, and are now using Nokia kits. Also, the Premium kit is on it's way. It can interface with the instrument cluster, as well as the radio unit.

In regards to A2DP, due to the way the car is wired, it will only play in Mono, and with very poor sound quality.

The Nokia kit that VW currently offer is very limited functionality. To be honest it's probably not as good as a properly installed Parrot. And the premium kit that is on its way will only work with phones that support rsap, thus ruling out a significant number of phones. The VW dealer I'm buying my car from said to me that the basic one is crap, and the premium one they can't bring in cos of the limited phone support and issues.

You pays your money you takes your choice...

[Umai Naa!!]

I can tell you straight up, that from a reliability viewpoint, the Nokia kits are far superior. We've not had a single one come back yet. I've not had any issues with pairing, either.

In regards to the premium kit, as at last month, it was all but signed off, ready to be released. I believe they were just overcoming a few marketing things. As for phone support, the list of capable phones is growing by the month.

The way VW sees it, is if you're just happy to use Bluetooth for it's sheer convinience, then buy the basic kit. If you want to step it up and use the steering wheel, instrument cluster, and radio unit to interface with your high-end smart phone, then buy the premium kit.

[Caddyman]

HI, is there anyone here that has the Fiscon unit fitted? would love to know how it goes!

Matthew

[Swallowtail]

I can tell you straight up, that from a reliability viewpoint, the Nokia kits are far superior.

What are you comparing it with and based on what sample size?

buy the premium kit.

...that won't work with a not-insignificant number of phones out there... Google "mobiles that support rsap" if you think I'm pulling your leg. And it's not just iphones, it's nokias etc as well.

Don't know about you, but I'd be as p*ssed as anything to spend that much money and then have to buy a new phone as well...

[Umai Naa!!]

Ah, no. That's not exactly how they're pitching the premium kit. If you've already got an RSAP phone, then you'd want to go all-out and but the premium kit.

No fool would buy the premium kit without a phone capable of using it.

One of the Audi forums has a list as at late last year of RSAP-capable phones, and your local VW dealer parts department can get hold the list too. I do know that all Nokia N-Series and E-Series phones are RSAP capable, as are most, if not all HTC phones. The reason the Iphone isn't RSAP capable, is due to the legalities regarding copywright laws. As time goes on, RSAP will be a more common feature on future phones, just like when Bluetooth came out back in the day. Now just about every phone on the market has Bluetooth.

[tryingavw]

Ah, no. That's not exactly how they're pitching the premium kit. If you've already got an RSAP phone, then you'd want to go all-out and but the premium kit.

No fool would buy the premium kit without a phone capable of using it.

One of the Audi forums has a list as at late last year of RSAP-capable phones, and your local VW dealer parts department can get hold the list too. I do know that all Nokia N-Series and E-Series phones are RSAP capable, as are most, if not all HTC phones. The reason the Iphone isn't RSAP capable, is due to the legalities regarding copywright laws. As time goes on, RSAP will be a more common feature on future phones, just like when Bluetooth came out back in the day. Now just about every phone on the market has Bluetooth.

there is also another issue: phone makers buy a bluetooth chip which provides most of the functionality. there are a range of prices/ vs capabilites of these chips. no doubt the cheaper ones dont have rsap.

[Swallowtail]

No fool would buy the premium kit without a phone capable of using it.

And you are seriously telling me that there won't be times when an ignorant salesman sells the option to some unsuspecting punter who has never heard of rSAP (and why should he when BT has been around for so long, and just about every other car worth buying has a BT system that will work with any bt phone)? There are a lot of people out there who have bought expensive vehicles and then found out that their phone doesn't work... some of them I am sure are fools, some of them I am sure have made an honest mistake, others I am sure assumed that a reputable car company selling a premium car bt kit would work with their 'normal' bt phone...

The VW dealer I went to point-blank told me that the basic system is crap and don't bother, and that the premium system that is coming they are reluctant to sell because so many phones won't support it. They are suggesting buyers look at other options including units like the Fiscon.

Nokia is the primary phone manufacturer that has got behind rSAP, which is probably because it was their idea.

Go here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSAP

The list of phones that DON'T support it include (German list, so some may not have equivalent models here):

# Nokia 3510(i), 6310(i), 6555(?), 6600, 6600 slide, 6610, 6630, 6670, 6680, 7610, N70
# BenQ-Siemens EF81, EF91, S55, S81, SL55, SL65, SL91, SXG75
# Qtek 8310
# All Sony Ericsson
# All Motorola
# All Samsung
# All LG Electronics
# All Panasonic
# All Philips
# All Blackberry except: Blackberry Bold 9000, BlackBerry Curve 8900, Blackberry Storm 9500
# Hewlett-Packard iPAQ 514, 614, 914
# Palm-Treo-Modelle except Palm Treo Pro
# Apple iPhone (3G)
# HTC Kaiser/Tytn II/Vodafone VPA Compact 5/T-Mobile Vario III

etc... and I believe Windows Mobiles won't support it either. There is some sort of hack you can do on WinMo phones to make it work... cool, let's hack the phone to make it work with my $75,000 car's $1000 bt system. Riiiiight.......

There are a lot of "All" in that list...

I'm intrigued too by your comment that the iPhone (as opposed to any of the other hundreds that don't) doesn't support rSAP because of copyright issues... can you please provide support for that statement.

One thing I agree with you is that rSAP will become more common. However I think it is the height of stupidity for a car manufacturer to use a system that ONLY supports rSAP when it is not yet that widely a standard.

And you haven't answered my question on your reliability statement.

[DJY]

i would be happy if it reliably just let me take and mke calls!

its a hit and miss affair with both my ( nokia e61) and wifes nokia (basic something) - sometimes it just doesnt work and everything must be reset.

pretty hopeless - rip off for $800.00!

I agree that the price is terrible...
but all I wanted to be able to do is make and mostly answer calls when I'm driving. I recently bought a Tiguan, and got the VW basic (Nokia one) installed. Paired with my iPhone with the salesman during the delivery / hand over... and works seamlessly!!!!


I can't seem to pair my work Nokia 6085 though!?!!?! Very frustrating!!!