Tiguan over the BRZ

[ido09s]

diesel vert, though auto boxes seem to be a bit better with some things, like kicking down etc The DSG is annoying as it takes about 50% throttle to kick it down and then it takes off like a wild horse because its kicked down 3 gears. If they refined just the upshifts in D and the kickdown the DSG would be awesome.

What more annoys me is that the Audi S3 we had was almost perfect. It shifted up well in D, it kicked down well, though it still wasnt 100%, but it was a crap load better than the VW. Both cars belong to the one company so why do they differ so much.

[team_v]

diesel vert, though auto boxes seem to be a bit better with some things, like kicking down etc The DSG is annoying as it takes about 50% throttle to kick it down and then it takes off like a wild horse because its kicked down 3 gears. If they refined just the upshifts in D and the kickdown the DSG would be awesome.

What more annoys me is that the Audi S3 we had was almost perfect. It shifted up well in D, it kicked down well, though it still wasnt 100%, but it was a crap load better than the VW. Both cars belong to the one company so why do they differ so much.

Different DSG boxes?
The Tiuan isn't developed as a sports car so it is likely tailored towards fuel economy, wheras the S3 was likely to be tailored for sports driving.

[joel0407]

Different DSG boxes?

More likely same box, different tune. There is only very few VW group DSG boxes. DQ200 (6 speed), DQ250 (Light duty 7 speed) and DQ350 Heavy Duty 7 speed). I dont know of any others but I could be wrong.

Happy Days.

[joel0407]

I was sort of wrong and sort of right. I just got the models mixed up.

This is quoted from Wikipedia

"At the time of launch in 2003[2][6] - it became the world's first dual clutch transmission in a series production car,[2][6] in the German-market Volkswagen Golf Mk4 R32[2][6] and shortly afterwards, worldwide in the original Audi TT 3.2;[7] and for the first few years of production, this original DSG transmission was only available in transversely orientated[2] front-engine, front-wheel-drive — or Haldex Traction-based four-wheel-drive vehicle layouts.

The first DSG transaxle that went into production for the Volkswagen Group mainstream marques had six forward speeds (and one reverse),[6][7] and used wet/submerged multi-plate clutch packs[2][4] (Volkswagen Group internal code: DQ250, parts code prefix: 02E).[7][8] It has been paired to engines with up to 350 N·m (260 lb·ft) of torque,[6][7] and the two-wheel-drive version weighs 93 kg (210 lb). It is manufactured at Volkswagen Group's Kassel plant,[2] with a daily production output of 1,500 units.[6]

At the start of 2008, another world first,[6] an additional 70 kg (150 lb) seven-speed DSG transaxle[6] (Volkswagen Group internal code: DQ200, parts code prefix: 0AM)[8][9][10] became available. It differs from the six-speed DSG, in that uses two single-plate dry clutches (of similar diameter).[10] This clutch pack was designed by LuK Clutch Systems, LLC.[11] This seven-speed DSG is used in smaller front-wheel-drive cars with smaller displacement engines with lower torque outputs,[6][7][10] such as the latest Volkswagen Golf,[6][10] Volkswagen Polo Mk5,[10] and the new SEAT Ibiza,[7] due to it having a maximum torque handling capacity of 250 N·m (180 lb·ft).[6] It has considerably less oil capacity than the six-speed DQ250; this new DQ200 uses just 1.7 litres (0.37 imp gal; 0.45 US gal) of transmission fluid.[6]

In September 2010, VW launched a new seven-speed DSG built to support 500 N·m (370 lb·ft), the DQ500. Its first use was in the Audi TT-RS"


It's the DQ500 thats used in the Tiguan. Interesting that's the same box used in the Audi TT-RS.



Happy Days

[Diesel_vert]

diesel vert, though auto boxes seem to be a bit better with some things, like kicking down etc The DSG is annoying as it takes about 50% throttle to kick it down and then it takes off like a wild horse because its kicked down 3 gears. If they refined just the upshifts in D and the kickdown the DSG would be awesome.

What more annoys me is that the Audi S3 we had was almost perfect. It shifted up well in D, it kicked down well, though it still wasnt 100%, but it was a crap load better than the VW. Both cars belong to the one company so why do they differ so much.

Like team_v alluded to, I think it would largely depend on the philosophy and/or politics behind the shift program that was written by the engineers.

You can overcome this to an extent by driving around the gearbox - anticipating how it will react given a certain situation and drive accordingly.

Until then, you'll just have to wait until the Gearbox Committee, regarding the driver's request to change from 5th to 3rd gear, to finish their meeting and announce a decision soon.

[team_v]

Like team_v alluded to, I think it would largely depend on the philosophy and/or politics behind the shift program that was written by the engineers.

You can overcome this to an extent by driving around the gearbox - anticipating how it will react given a certain situation and drive accordingly.

Until then, you'll just have to wait until the Gearbox Committee, regarding the driver's request to change from 5th to 3rd gear, to finish their meeting and announce a decision soon.

Or you could get a DSG tune from Custom Code or APR?
It apparently reconfigures it for sports oriented driving.

[Diesel_vert]

Or you could get a DSG tune from Custom Code or APR?
It apparently reconfigures it for sports oriented driving.

Or reprogram it, yes - that's another solution.

[ido09s]

I know i could get it re programmed by i like my butt without the hurt I am sure they would charge like a wounded dog for it so i am happy to put up with the tune the way it is and wait till the next gap in the traffic comes up

[team_v]

APR charge a fair bit, i believe Custom Code is more aptly priced.

It's up to you though, if you want a family car that goes fast and shifts like a sports car then get the tune and dsg remap.
You have to pay to play though.