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  • "Crunch" goes the gearbox

    Much unhappiness in my household at the moment

    Last night I wanted to head out, so climbed in the Tig and starter her up. Slipped it into "D" to the sound of a horrible crunch and clunk. Transmission light on the dash came on with a ding, and my heart sank. Tried to drive hoping everything would reset itself, but unfortunately it didn't. Didn't want to change gear in "D", "S", or Tiptronic mode.

    I parked her again and had a poor nights sleep. Phone Roadside Assist this morning and they recommended I try "resetting" it by unlocking and locking several times in close succession, and if that didn't work they'd have to tow me to a dealer.

    I tried the trick, started up, and this time when I slipped into gear it didn't crunch... but the warning light on the dash was still lit. Went for a short drive and this time it DID change gears and let me get up to 60 (speed limit in my area... could probably go faster) without problems, but the dash light is still lit up and didn't reset. Am relieved about that as I presume that means it isn't a chronic mechanical failure... but I won't know till the dealer sees it I guess.

    Called the dealer just after 8am and they took my details. Waiting for a service agent to call me back and tell me what to do. Needless to say, I'm still very concerned about what's wrong and what happens next.
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    Tiguan TDI, 6spd Tiptronic Auto
    Black, sunroof, comfort pack, off-road tech, tan leather, park assist & roof bars.
    Avg 7.63L/100km over 189,000kms

  • #2
    That's certainly a suck hole of a thing to happen. The light may be still on because of the hissy fit it threw but definitely needs to be checked out. Luckily it's still under warranty, I wouldn't want to know how much a rebuild on that box would cost :S
    2008 VRS Wagon. Yellow, very yellow!
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    • #3
      That's why i didn't go auto

      Can you request they use redline oil for the gearbox as it is apparently a lot better quality than the vw stuff?

      Let us know how it goes?
      My Tiguan TSI APR Stg2 + RPF1's

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      • #4
        I was just thinking of the APR remap. Things like this make me want to leave everything as stock.
        2010 Tiguan 147TSI - Deep Black, Black Leather, Panoramic Sunroof
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        • #5
          Yeah, I have to admit that this happening has put me off the idea of chipping now. It may just be a one off oddity, but now that I know my 'box is questionable it means that chipping is off the table for me now.

          My dealer cannot book me in till the 29th!!!!! but has agreed to plug it into the diagnostic machine on Monday morning to see what it says. I am seriously hoping it's just a case of needing to clear codes and that it was just an odd glitch rather than a mechanical failure. I drove it again this afternoon (albeit gingerly) and it changed gears fine all the way up to 6th and down again. No strange sounds or behaviour that I could identify. Just the lights on the dash are all on still *shrug*. Will see on Monday I guess.
          Last edited by Arctra; 17-04-2010, 06:15 PM.
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          Tiguan TDI, 6spd Tiptronic Auto
          Black, sunroof, comfort pack, off-road tech, tan leather, park assist & roof bars.
          Avg 7.63L/100km over 189,000kms

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          • #6
            Hope its a quick fix and let the UK guys know how you get on,I,m sure they,ll be interested in this one
            Tiguan 2.0TDI S,Reflex Silver,Side Bars,Mudflaps

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            • #7
              Crunching noise can never be good. Let's hope they find the damaged part.
              TDI tiguan in the drive. ParkAssist, comfort, fogs
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              • #8
                I'm sorry to hear that mate. Was the car parked on the level surface or was it very steep on? And just a silly question; when you normally park, do you put it in the N first, than switch the engine OFF, put the hand brake ON and with the foot OFF the brake pedal shift in P and then remove the key from the ignition.
                Also it would be worthwhile to have it scanned with VCDS before you go to the dealer. I hope it is nothing major.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Transporter View Post
                  I'm sorry to hear that mate. Was the car parked on the level surface or was it very steep on? And just a silly question; when you normally park, do you put it in the N first, than switch the engine OFF, put the hand brake ON and with the foot OFF the brake pedal shift in P and then remove the key from the ignition.
                  Also it would be worthwhile to have it scanned with VCDS before you go to the dealer. I hope it is nothing major.
                  Yeah, car was parked at home on the level. When I normally park I slip it straight into P with foot on the brake, then put on handbrake, except I think I do it too quickly (except a few times where I accidentally didn't take it out of gear before turning the engine off). I've been going through it over and over and it's the only answer I can come up with. I may have taken it out of gear too fast when I got home from work, then put it back in gear too fast after restarting it. Who knows.

                  If I can find a VCDS cable today to scan, will it affect what the dealer can do when they scan on Monday?
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                  Tiguan TDI, 6spd Tiptronic Auto
                  Black, sunroof, comfort pack, off-road tech, tan leather, park assist & roof bars.
                  Avg 7.63L/100km over 189,000kms

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                  • #10
                    VCDS scans results

                    OK, so I have a cheap eBay Micro-CAN cable which I figured I could use to do a quick scan. I dare not do any resetting of codes yet. If anyone can help interpret this log I would be most grateful!

                    ------------------------------START----------------------------------

                    VCDS Version: Release 805.0
                    Data version: 20080625

                    Sunday,18,April,2010,10:05:47:26365

                    Chassis Type: 1K0
                    Scan: 01 02 03 04 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 1C 22 25 42 44 46 4F 52 53
                    56 62 72

                    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 1010
                    02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
                    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
                    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
                    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
                    17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
                    22-AWD -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
                    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
                    44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
                    4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
                    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
                    53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
                    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 1010
                    62-Door,Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
                    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

                    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Address 01: Engine (CBA) Labels: Redir Fail!
                    Part No SW: 03L 906 022 G HW: 03L 906 022 G
                    Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG 3396
                    Revision: 13H01--- Serial number: VWX7Z0HN3NP0SX
                    Coding: 0000175
                    Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032

                    1 Fault Found:
                    053286 - Please Check Fault Codes in Transmission Control Module
                    U1026 - 000 - - - Intermittent

                    Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 6 - The fault has a long term influence on drivability.
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 22836 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 22:44:28

                    Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 920 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    (no units): 0.0
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Bin. Bits: 00100000
                    Torque: 615.0 Nm

                    Readiness: N/A

                    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.lbl
                    Part No SW: 09G 927 750 FD HW: 09G 927 750 FD
                    Component: AQ 250 6F 1124
                    Revision: 00H76000 Serial number:
                    Coding: 0000328
                    Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200

                    1 Fault Found:
                    01314 - Engine Control Module
                    004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent - MIL ON
                    Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100100
                    Fault Priority: 2 - The fault requires an immediate service appointment.
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Mileage: 22818 km
                    Time Indication: 0


                    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: None
                    Part No SW: 5N0 614 517 N HW: 5N0 614 517 N
                    Component: J104 C2 450 V2 0008
                    Revision: --H13--- Serial number: 00000001643055
                    Coding: 0015650
                    Shop #: WSC 01324 785 00200

                    1 Fault Found:
                    01314 - Engine Control Module
                    004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                    Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 3 - The fault doesn't require an immediate service appointment, but it should be corrected with the next service appointment.
                    Fault Frequency: 4
                    Reset counter: 119
                    Mileage: 22818 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 13:29:03

                    Freeze Frame:
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Hex Value: 0x0000
                    Voltage: 12.00 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00011111
                    Count: 170
                    Hex Value: 0x0000

                    ------------------------------END----------------------------------
                    Last edited by Arctra; 18-04-2010, 11:44 AM.
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                    Tiguan TDI, 6spd Tiptronic Auto
                    Black, sunroof, comfort pack, off-road tech, tan leather, park assist & roof bars.
                    Avg 7.63L/100km over 189,000kms

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arctra View Post
                      If I can find a VCDS cable today to scan, will it affect what the dealer can do when they scan on Monday?
                      It will not, but.
                      Not just to you mate, also to everyone who scans their car for the fault codes before going to the dealer or mechanic: Always leave the codes there, do not reset the codes! So, the dealer has a chance to see what was happening and conditions when the codes were logged (the freeze frames and so on).
                      Last edited by Transporter; 18-04-2010, 04:29 PM. Reason: add more text
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                      • #12
                        OK, so an update. Yesterday I decided to take a quick trip down to Bunnings to get a hex-socket set in case I needed to remove my bash plate to investigate my problem. On the trip to Bunnings the gears worked great, but the dash warning lights were still lit. When I got back in the car at Bunnings to come home, I started the car and..... HAZZZZAAAAH! No more warning lights. Everything is back to normal. Very strange.

                        I've just come from the dealer who gave it a quick scan for me. They basically don't know what caused it, but think it may have been an earthing problem somewhere that caused a canbus communication problem. They've cleared the codes and told me that if it happens again, don't re-start the car - just get it towed and they'll look at it again. Apparently starting/stopping and removing the key resets some setting too which makes it more difficult to diagnose.

                        So it seems I just need to drive as normal and hope nothing happens again. Pretty concerning, but what do you do?
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                        Tiguan TDI, 6spd Tiptronic Auto
                        Black, sunroof, comfort pack, off-road tech, tan leather, park assist & roof bars.
                        Avg 7.63L/100km over 189,000kms

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                        • #13
                          That is a bit odd.
                          At least the lights are now off so that is probably a good sign.

                          Just a bit worrisome that it can break and then fix itself and the dealer is none the wise about what happened.
                          That is the main reason i am against auto boxes.

                          At least yours is driveable again though
                          My Tiguan TSI APR Stg2 + RPF1's

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                          • #14
                            Fingers crossed it's all good Arctra, I'm sure it will be.
                            2008 VRS Wagon. Yellow, very yellow!
                            Forever blowing bubbles.

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                            • #15
                              Hi Actra - any updates?

                              Hope all is well!

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