TDI manual

[NZTiguan]

Yeah but whats the title of this thread

Yes BUT I'd been told to "give it a try" and I was explaining why I can't !!! and why I don't need to !!!

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While you're not likely to stall on a hill with an auto, you might get into a spot where you're half way up a really steep section and decide it's too much to go on. The car might even be slipping as you're sitting there with the brakes on deciding what to do. You've stopped, so you can't move forward again, you can't turn around, what to do? Your auto in reverse is going to run out of control if you don't use brakes - even if you've got hill decent it's going to use the brakes to try and slow you, but you're still reversing with reduced control as it struggles to control the slide as it brakes to try and slow the decent. Try it, set both up, a manual with or without hill decent, and an auto with hill decent.

I used to train people in remote communities how to drive in off road conditions. We used to set up this exact scenario with different vehicles, including autos. By far the easiest and safetest was the manuals when put in this situation (and a few others too). It's such a simple technique and is astonishlying effective.

NZ, the good thing is that you've got hill decent, becasue an auto FWD without this is next to usless IMHO.

[donweather]

When pulling off, let out the clutch smoothly and increase pressure slightly on the accellerator and it will disengage automatically within a split second once it detects that 1. you are in 1st gear (will not work in any other gear I've tried)

Apart from reverse!!!

[donweather]

Good tips guys on hill decents in reverse in a 4wd, but aren't we all debating over nothing as the Tig wont start with no clutch engaged, so isn't the above technique useless for a Tig anyway (manual or auto)?

[Transporter]

Just a word of caution for these who drive manual that when you operate the clutch pedal think about the DMF (dual mass flywheel), since it could have very short lifespan (between 50,000-100,000km) if you don't use the clutch pedal properly (and not just the clutch).

I didn't road tested Tig yet, but I was told by many people that the TDI and A/T is a better match than manual gearbox.

Also the one has to think about where you will drive it most of the time, if the Tig will spend most of the driving in the city traffic the A/T is probably better option.
The Tiguan off road abilities are limited, so for most of the light duty off-roading the A/T will be a better option for most of the people. The last thing you want is the engine stalling and the car sliding backwards and sideways on muddy track, rolling on its side. (I'm not talking about you the experienced 4wdrivers.)

[jimbomort]

I didn't road tested Tig yet, but I was told by many people that the TDI and A/T is a better match than manual gearbox.

........the A/T is probably better option.

guy I know whose family have both an auto and manual TDI Tig, say he reckons the manual is a much better marriage with the diesel.

That aside, fair enough re above, noting though that it cost you about $2000 more, uses about 10% more fuel and saps about 10% of the cars get up and go (just look at accleration figs). Not small downsides IMO.

Autos have their advantages, but they also have a lot of disadvantages. Buyers hopefully consider both in the context of their circumstances.

I am not talking here of any DSG option - if now available.

[team_v]

I am not talking here of any DSG option - if now available.

Not available on the Tiguan.
Is available on the Q5 and the soon to be released Q3.

[Transporter]

guy I know whose family have both an auto and manual TDI Tig, say he reckons the manual is a much better marriage with the diesel.

That aside, fair enough re above, noting though that it cost you about $2000 more, uses about 10% more fuel and saps about 10% of the cars get up and go (just look at accleration figs). Not small downsides IMO.

Autos have their advantages, but they also have a lot of disadvantages. Buyers hopefully consider both in the context of their circumstances.

I am not talking here of any DSG option - if now available.

From what I know the auto Tig is only 0.2s slower to 100km/h. But not everyone can shift the gears quickly, so I can dismiss 0.2s

Yes you're right, the auto uses more than 10% of fuel than manual - actually more than 20% (city driving).

Hmm… $2000 more for auto; if you keep the car 10years it is only $200 per year and also you get more for it when you sell it or trade it in, so it is not a big deal.
But honestly, if it was only me driving the Tig I would lean towards the manual for the long term reliability and better fuel economy.

[sawters]

man vs auto

hi all


I drove both, auto and man
imho the auto was just so so easy to drive, a nice seating position and just turn the key and drive. Such a relaxed position.

I get my tig next week so the tdi auto will take some getting used to i think.

[NZTiguan]

But honestly, if it was only me driving the Tig I would lean towards the manual for the long term reliability and better fuel economy.

Would have to say I still get 6.6l/100k on a trip form the auto (can't complain about that on NZs hilly, winding roads) and the only gearbox maintenance issues I've seen World wide (aside from the odd warranty type glitch) are relating to the manual box not the auto. There are quite a number of manuals with "issues" now particularly in GB and Europe with gearbox changes and even "swaps" for autos !! Could be a different story given time of course but the fact that most truck fleets use autos now to "minimise" maintenance would make you wonder.

Cheers

[Transporter]

Would have to say I still get 6.6l/100k on a trip form the auto (can't complain about that on NZs hilly, winding roads)

Cheers

That's really good! I also always get outstanding fuel economy figures from my vehicles.
I was driving our Touareg yesterday from home through the city, there was still a bit of morning traffic remaining and a lot of road works and I saw avrg. 8.3L/100km on the display for long time and it was 8.8L/100km when I arrived there. Don’t get me wrong I don’t need the manual gearbox so I can say I’m the man I want to feel that I’m driving that car and so on. Besides, the Tig will be my wife's car to drive to work and for shopping.

[jimbomort]

From what I know the auto Tig is only 0.2s slower to 100km/h.

my call based on fact that the 147 tsi with auto, has same accel figs as the 125 manual even though it has 20% more power than the 125 and peak Torque available across a wider rev range.

I haven't looked at other offical figs for a while, but based on above, I'm standing by my 10% slower, for all it matters.

While I suggest people should way up the pro's and cons, most people I think pick auto vs manual based on overall pref/driving situation and thats fine.

[Transporter]

my call based on fact that the 147 tsi with auto, has same accel figs as the 125 manual even though it has 20% more power than the 125 and peak Torque available across a wider rev range.

I haven't looked at other offical figs for a while, but based on above, I'm standing by my 10% slower, for all it matters.

While I suggest people should way up the pro's and cons, most people I think pick auto vs manual based on overall pref/driving situation and thats fine.

Yeah, you're 100% correct for TSI manual and auto but the topic is TDI manual.

My info is from November 2009 Publication VAG7500D. Comparing TDI manual to TDI auto.

[147Tig]

I think with The Tig, auto is good enough, since it has tiptronic and "S" mode

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....but the fact that most truck fleets use autos now to "minimise" maintenance would make you wonder.

problem is most people these days don't really know how to drive a manual. For example, I can't believe the number of people (women in particualr though) that think it's OK to sit at an intersection riding the clutch. It just shows a complete ignorance of the system. Not that I blame them. So autos are always going to show up with less issues these days.

As for my preference with a TDI, definitley the auto. It works beautifully and picks the right gear for the right situation pretty much every time.