Cat amoungst the pigeons

[Philbie]

I don't think there is much to compare. galvanized body, glazerate (spelling??) Paint, German build, No nonsense warranty, resale, and the list goes on.......VW just make it better!

if you don't want the VW, save the money and buy a TI X-trail!

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Koleos = Nissan

Koleos uses same underpinnings as the Nissan Dualis.

I'll pass thanks. If I want a Nissan, I'll buy a Nissan.

[Transporter]

Tiguan's timing belt on diesel engine never needs replacing.

http://www.atzonline.com/index.php;do=show/site=a4e/sid=18363641734a07fc8ad9252938507026/alloc=1/id=9123

and a bit of reading about Koleos too sorry I couldn't resist
Koleos

http://www.atzonline.com/index.php;do=show/site=a4e/sid=18363641734a07fc8ad9252938507026/alloc=1/id=7421

[Arctra]

Homing in on the target

OK, so I've been trawling the web and forums trying to get more info on the Renault and the Tig, and now have quotes in as well.

Seems if I go for the Tig, for 3k more we get sunroof and park assist, but lose off-road pack equivalent on the Renault, but gain a lot of peace of mind with the mechanical side of the VW.

Although the offroad pack is only $300 it brings a lot to the table that is desirable, but unfortunately the lack of availablity of TDI's with the offroad pack int he country means I'd have to wait 4-5 months to get a vehicle. I don't think it's worth it.

You think I'm on the right track?

[varsur]

OK, so I've been trawling the web and forums trying to get more info on the Renault and the Tig, and now have quotes in as well.

Seems if I go for the Tig, for 3k more we get sunroof and park assist, but lose off-road pack equivalent on the Renault, but gain a lot of peace of mind with the mechanical side of the VW.

Although the offroad pack is only $300 it brings a lot to the table that is desirable, but unfortunately the lack of availablity of TDI's with the offroad pack int he country means I'd have to wait 4-5 months to get a vehicle. I don't think it's worth it.

You think I'm on the right track?

I think its worth a wait. I am waiting for my TDI which I ordered in February and will be delivered in June.

[Golf Houso]

Tiguan's timing belt on diesel engine never needs replacing.

http://www.atzonline.com/index.php;do=show/site=a4e/sid=18363641734a07fc8ad9252938507026/alloc=1/id=9123

Haha I've heard that one from VW before! They also said that fuel filters on the MK3 golfs were a "lifetime" item, all I know is that when I replaced the one in my VR6 the fuel would only trickle out of it one way

[Transporter]

OK, so I've been trawling the web and forums trying to get more info on the Renault and the Tig, and now have quotes in as well.

Seems if I go for the Tig, for 3k more we get sunroof and park assist, but lose off-road pack equivalent on the Renault, but gain a lot of peace of mind with the mechanical side of the VW.

Although the offroad pack is only $300 it brings a lot to the table that is desirable, but unfortunately the lack of availablity of TDI's with the offroad pack int he country means I'd have to wait 4-5 months to get a vehicle. I don't think it's worth it.

You think I'm on the right track?

You may regret it later. It is worth it mate, you buy a car for a long time and the time flies. I wouldn’t buy sunroof, but it’s me.

[Transporter]

Haha I've heard that one from VW before! They also said that fuel filters on the MK3 golfs were a "lifetime" item, all I know is that when I replaced the one in my VR6 the fuel would only trickle out of it one way

Time has changed, today’s materials are better than these 15 or more years ago, plus our quality fuels can't compete with EU fuels. Cars in EU don't last as long as in OZ.

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plus our quality fuels can't compete with EU fuels. Cars in EU don't last as long as in OZ.

Transporter, I've heard this before, can you explain about the fuel differences?

[Pullstarter]

Is there really any comparison between these two vehicles? Surely not? One is french after all

[Golf Houso]

Time has changed, today’s materials are better than these 15 or more years ago, plus our quality fuels can't compete with EU fuels. Cars in EU don't last as long as in OZ.

Well considering that my fuel filter is the same one used in a 2004 B5.5 passat, I'd love to think that was the case, but I don't think it is Just more spin from VW in an attempt to justify their massive margins on consumables...

[Transporter]

Transporter, I've heard this before, can you explain about the fuel differences?

Petrol has higher content of the sulfur and less octane in OZ than in EU.

http://www.environment.gov.au/atmosphere/fuelquality/standards/petrol/index.html

Diesel has lower cetane no. in OZ than in EU and in the past had always much higher sulfur content.

http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/fuels.html

[Spook]

By the way, came across this article from goauto. Interesting reading:

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/74358BC51DCAC91DCA2575B3001F3550

Forester chops down rivals in compact SUV class

By IAN PORTER 11 May 2009


A LOOK at the sales charts for small SUVs in Australia makes fascinating reading, with Subaru now the sole brand – with the one-year-old Forester – to consistently lead this segment.

Only a few years ago, it was a battleground between Subaru, Toyota (RAV4), Nissan (X-Trail) and Honda (CR-V).

These stalwarts of the segment are still prominent, but they appear to be gradually converging at what can be seen as a respectful distance behind the segment leader.

The Forester has been the best-selling compact SUV every month bar one in the past 12 months – basically since the new model was launched in February 2008.

The Subaru SUV stands alone as the only model to pass the 1000-sales mark every month. It has been beaten only once, by the RAV4 in December.

When the smaller Outback – also in this segment – is taken into account, Subaru has so far sold slightly more compact SUVs than it did in the first four months of 2008.

That’s impressive, given that overall segment sales are down 15.8 per cent YTD, athough it should be noted that this segment is doing better than the whole market, which is down 20.3 per cent YTD.

Behind the Forester, the spread among the remaining 20-plus model field is evening out.

The RAV4 has been the best of the rest for some time, but it is now under heavy pressure from Hyundai and its Tucson, a not-unfamiliar situation in other parts of the market. The Tucson has a little more artillery in terms of specification variety than the RAV4, thanks to the availability of a 2WD-only spec.

Although it had a big wobble in the third quarter of 2008 and dropped several places, the small South Korean SUV has since recovered to overtake the CR-V and take third place behind the RAV4.

Despite the dogfight happening behind the Forester, one thing is for certain: everyone is watching the latest entrant to this pound, the Volkswagen Tiguan.

The Tiguan is VW’s first attempt in this segment and, while early acceptance was limited by a lack of supply, 11 months after launch it is now jostling with the Nissan, the Mitsubishi and the Honda for fourth place in the segment.

Another new entrant which arrived with great expectations was the Renault Koleos, although it has only managed to achieve about half the French manufacturer’s forecast 150 sales a month, which was considered conservative at September’s launch.

The compact SUVs have been the beneficiaries of the swing away from large sixes as user-choosers look for something that’s useful in leisure time as well.

This has played into Subaru’s hands, according to spokesman David Rowley.

“Although it is larger, the new Forester is not considered too big, according to our research, and we are attracting more female buyers,” he said.

“We also win fleet sales with our five-star crash rating, which is important to the occupational health and safety department.

“But for business buyers, our strong retained value is a big attraction, producing good whole-of-life costs.” Models that did not quite get onto the chart above are the Grand Vitara, which is still punching out more than 300 units a month and Mazda’s CX-7, which is averaging 290.

Perhaps the big surprise is that Kia’s Sportage, one of the few compact SUVs to offer a diesel, can barely make the top 10.

[NZTiguan]

Perhaps the big surprise is that Kia’s Sportage, one of the few compact SUVs to offer a diesel, can barely make the top 10.

What's the surprise ??? It's a POS and everybody knows it. Weird really when the Sorento is pretty darn good value in the diesel stakes that the Sportage is so rubbish !!

As far as Tiguan vs Forester goes the Forester will always have more sales cos it's cheaper and roomier therefore better bang for your buck for families.

[gerhard]

To find an example of the brilliance of Renault engineering, Google "change headlight bulb renault megane"

Besides, wasn't it the French who insisted on blowing nuclear bombs in our backyard, in spite of our requests for them to stop.

Don't buy a French bomb and put profits in their pockets, I say.