DSG and how to get the best of it

[ewok666]

Any thoughts on the Harding Performance DSG tune ? I am seriously thinking about it to get rid of the "race to 6th gear issue" and to make S mode less aggressive ....however at $1,295 its not cheap.

Is this on the new Tiguan?

[jdw]

Is this on the new Tiguan?

No, I have a GTI Performance.

[ewok666]

No, I have a GTI Performance.

Glad to hear that. The GTI, like the R and the S3 runs the DQ250 and it seems the VW engineers are outright to stupid to get the gear selection right. I can confirm that, before my DSG tune, D mode tried to get to 6th gear before I hit 60km/h while S mode held 2nd up to 4000 RPM even without accelerating. I got the tune and it made the problem go away, among other goodies, nut I was also told ( can't confirm) that the 7 speed DQ500 did not have the same issues.

[Transporter]

Glad to hear that. The GTI, like the R and the S3 runs the DQ250 and it seems the VW engineers are outright to stupid to get the gear selection right. I can confirm that, before my DSG tune, D mode tried to get to 6th gear before I hit 60km/h while S mode held 2nd up to 4000 RPM even without accelerating. I got the tune and it made the problem go away, among other goodies, nut I was also told ( can't confirm) that the 7 speed DQ500 did not have the same issues.

The VW engineers aren't stupid. The job number 1 for the DSG is to get the best fuel economy and they've done it well.

[ewok666]

The VW engineers aren't stupid. The job number 1 for the DSG is to get the best fuel economy and they've done it well.

How does holding 2nd to 4000 RPM help with that once you put it into sorts mode? Almost everyone I spoke to complained about that.

[Gladbach]

How does holding 2nd to 4000 RPM help with that once you put it into sorts mode? Almost everyone I spoke to complained about that.

I agree with this, D is quite numb, too quick to cycle through the gears and reluctant to change down gears. S is the opposite, it holds on to gears way too long. Would be nice to have an S1 and S2 or S and S+.

I found that using the individual setting and configuring the drive mode to sports but DCC to normal works well. I drive it in D most of the time, but having the mode set to sports increases the throttle sensitivity, even in D, so the car feels more responsive, and the DSG does seem to drop down gears easier when input my foot down.

[theresanothersteve]

I've seen this question posted in lots of places and have asked the question myself, particularly in the light of the Ford fiasco where the driver gets blamed.

In a nutshell there is nothing out there that explains how you should drive a double clutch gearbox.

There is lots of information from owners on how to get the most out of one, but nothing from manufacturers (I've found) on what the driver must do.

I find the Jetta gets it right most of the time. Coming down the SE freeway I'll put it in manual and select lower gears to reduce brake applications. Going home there are 2 corners with hard acceleration directly after, for these I slip it into sport. The rest of the time for normal driving the DSG is OK, although it selects the higher gears a little before I would. There again, I picked the Jetta for the broader torque spread of the twin charged motor, courtesy of the supercharger.

I personally do not like manually selecting gears in any automated gearbox. I want the gear change to occur when I move the lever, not when the electronics make the change. If it happens almost simultaneously there is still the disconnect. Maybe its better with paddle shifters, but I doubt it. The electronics still make the change and the driver is disconnected. Personal taste, I know.

[Bunty]

I have a Mk 5 GTi with over 230k on the clock.
No issues at all, except for the occasional rollback on a hill.

I drive in D all the time, but use paddles when approaching a corner or round about.
After accelerating out of the corners i upchange to 6th and after about 10 sec it will automatically switch back to auto mode.
Perfect for me. I love it.

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[jrgti]

You can actually double shift up or down provided the revs are in the right range.

[ewok666]

You can actually double shift up or down provided the revs are in the right range.

But that will result in a delay of about one second while the DSG changes gears. The instant change is only for the next, pre-selected gear, assuming it pre-selected the gear you actually want. I always drive manual and usually run into this no more than once every two or three months. It's just a matter of getting used to the way it selects your next gear.

[SteveMc]

I'm hoping my 7spd DSG will have the same "temporary" manual mode as my wife's Q7. Whilst in auto mode, you can tap a paddle to change gears manually, and it will stay in that gear for around 20 seconds or so, with manual mode showing on the dash. Then it relaxes back into auto and recommences changing it's own gears again. Is that the way the current 6 speed works ?

[Bora Sport]

Any thoughts on the Harding Performance DSG tune ? I am seriously thinking about it to get rid of the "race to 6th gear issue" and to make S mode less aggressive ....however at $1,295 its not cheap.

I got an Underground Performance DSG tune on my 2011 Golf R. It makes D more like Sport and Sport a bit closer to Drive. That is, it makes the difference smaller. You can also nominate a speed that it drops into 6th. I found it a huge improvement on standard. I've done a couple of happy laps days at Lakeside and leaving it in Sport it did every gear change perfectly at just the right time. In normal on road driving in D it is great too.

I'm not sure what they charge but I think it would be closer to $750.00.

You can find them on Facebook.

[Bunty]

Temporary manual mode?
Thats the way my old Mk V GTi works.
Tap the paddles to down shift, being on the brakes coming into a turn it has preselected the next lower gear, and after accelerating out and changing up you can wait for the dsg to swap back to auto or hold the up (+) paddle and switch off manual mode.
If you look closely at the up paddle it has OFF as well as the + symbol.

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[Cobwebs]

I may be a bit late in the thread but here is some interesting well explained 'don'ts' for a dual clutch transmission

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42zsFYjZvM