I have ordered/received my New Tiguan

[IrishKiwi08]

First of all, there is plenty of information out there on the pricing so your dealer is not too switched on and you could easily search the web or find it on these forums. It may be no better in terms of quality but considering the quality is already to a high standard that is not a negative thing.

2nd, people who are trying to justify buying a BMW/MB/Audi over a VW by saying VW is too expensive are silly. While they have increased the price over the old Tiguan they are offering more in the package thus justifying the price which sits in between the cheap Koreans and the more expensive Euro's which, lets be honest, you pay a premium for the name.

I just placed an order for the VW Tiguan Highline + R-Line + DAP + Tint for $57k driveaway. If you think you are getting more from an X3 for $65k you are kidding yourself. 60km service is maybe 3 services to the value of $1500? Big deal. You won't get the major service covered which could cost easily over $1k

I saved 3.5k off the retail price which more then pays for the free services. I'm also getting (imo) a better looking and more updated car in terms of technology (the digital display is amazing) and aesthetics for less money.

Here's is what I discovered

Shortly after I a placed the order for my R Line I decided to try an exercise. I went to the BMW website here in NZ and specked up a new X1 BMW (I chose the X1 as it has similar dimensions to the Tig) By the time I had specked the X1 with all the options that I am getting with the R Line Tiguan the price came to more than 20K more than the R Line! I would hate to think what the the price would have been if I had used an X3 as an example? So to put it in a nutshell, do your homework before making any rash decisions.

My other point is, which would you prefer, a German car that is assembled in Germany or a German car that is assembled in the USA (BMW X1 that is)

Just my 2 cents for what it is worth

[cellrsx]

I went to the BMW website here in NZ and specked up a new X1 BMW (I chose the X1 as it has similar dimensions to the Tig) By the time I had specked the X1 with all the options that I am getting with the R Line Tiguan the price came to more than 20K more than the R Line!

That's fine, if all the features you're getting with the R-Line are what you want. R Line is a good choice in that situation.

I love the R-Line looks and trim, but to be honest I'd be perfectly fine with a 132TSi engine. So I have to pay more for a higher powered engine which I don't really need. I could live without Easy Open and heated seats too to name a few.

The one feature I do want is Dynaudio, can't get it in Australia. So that's a lot of cash to be spending on a car when it doesn't tick the required boxes, and it's ticking boxes (162TSi engine) I don't need.

So I think there's valid argument in people looking at something like the X1 because you can pretty much spec it to what you want and end up in a similar price territory.

I spec'd a BMW X1 with the features I want and it's not much more than an R-Line in price.

[Bambazonke]

Maybe I did not explain myself clearly so here goes my reasoning again
Firstly I am very well aware of the prices on the car, my point was the dealers are playing a bidding/poker game with it's loyal customers because the product is new and they want to rip us off with "dealer chargers" as I have learnt from experience. My first Tiguan I bought in May 2008 from Austral VW Brisbane cost me just over 42k for a 103Tdi manual the only extra was metallic paint. This was one of the first Tiguans in Aus, the car was brilliant no issues what so ever in the four and half years I had it. Only had to pay for services. wiper blades and tyres, even the battery was still going when I traded it late 2012 for another Tiguan which cost me 40k that included DSG comfort pack metallic paint and fog lights! Had I bought this car in 2008 I would have paid 47k (A Bluetooth unit was a $800 dealer fitted option then)

As for the BMW 4 year 60 000 km service package I can confirm it consists of 3 inspection services and one major service as I have had a 320d since 2013 under this scheme. The dealer phones me to tell me when it is due and they already know what the car needs as they have already accessed it through "connected drive" something VW is still dreaming about but will probably happen sometime in the future as their sister brand Audi will be onto it as will MB. I also get a free loan car something VW does not do but interestingly Ford can.

For all those that have committed to buying a new Tiguan I wish you well however there are a few of us who have already experienced the old Tiguan have chosen to go down a different path for different reasons due to their experience with their existing car eg Ausietig a Merc myself an X3 Avdo a Q5 and recently a 4 series BMW because the wife didn't like the Q5!

[aussietig]

For all those that have committed to buying a new Tiguan I wish you well however there are a few of us who have already experienced the old Tiguan have chosen to go down a different path for different reasons due to their experience with their existing car eg Ausietig a Merc myself an X3 Avdo a Q5 and recently a 4 series BMW because the wife didn't like the Q5!

Definitely no longer the bang for buck SUV it used to be. The premium brands have come down a lot in price and MB include a lot of things as standard (unlike Audi and BMW).

But definitely what gave me the sheets was being forced to go up to a 162TSI just to get the R Line and Highline.

But killer blow was the long to wait for 162TSI!

So it's a GLA250 for me, as boot size is no longer an issue with kids out of prams now.

This hopefully by late Nov!

[aussietig]

My other point is, which would you prefer, a German car that is assembled in Germany or a German car that is assembled in the USA (BMW X1 that is)

Probably will be accused of being biased, but for what it's worth the best value premium brand at the moment is MB.
Has a simple meat & 3 veg (max) option only. Options added don't come to a ridiculous price (like Audi & BMW) and is definitely German car built in Germany.

Service cost is more than VW. But 3 years free service will help cushion the blow.

[aussietig]

I've had a few novated leases and yes it does attract GST from memory.

Your employer can claim the GST back on the lease payments and usually passes that benefit onto employee.
Hence it feels like you pay no GST.

The residual payment however is coming directly from the employee's pocket and therefore the GST is not recoverable if you're just an employee.

[NZ_GolfR]

Probably will be accused of being biased, but for what it's worth the best value premium brand at the moment is MB.
Has simple a meat & 3 veg (max) option only. Options added don't come to a ridiculous price (like Audi & BMW) and is definitely German car built in Germany.

Service cost is more than VW. But 3 years free service will help cushion the blow.

Here in NZ I would have to disagree, the Tiguan is definitely the best value for money when compared to BMW, Audi and Mercedes. We are lucky that we have a bit more options with the Tiguan, the Highline is available as either 110kw TDI or 132kw TSI while the R Line is only in the 162kw TSI. I personally don't have an issue with the R being the 162kw as this is the engine I wanted anyway, only issue is the wait but that would be the same for any manufacturer releasing new models.

Price wise here the Tiguan is by far the cheaper option:

RRP Prices
Tiguan Highline 2WD 132kw TSI = $47,990
Tiguan Highline 4Motion 132kw TSI = $57,990
Tiguan Highline 4Motion 110kw TDI = $59,990
Tiguan R Line 162kw TSI = $66,990

BMW X1 sDrive 20i 2WD 105kw Petrol = $72,000
BMW X1 xDrive 20d 4WD 105kw TDI = $76,500

Mercedes GLA 220d 2WD 130kw TDI = $66,990
Mercedes GLA 250 4Matic 155kw Petrol = $79,300

The prices for the BMW and Mercedes are for the base models with no upgrades or option packs. They both come with less powerful engines than the R Line, less base options and smaller boot space by over 100L. By the time you add some of the options to both these to get it similar in spec to the R Line then you easily end up being $20k + more.

Personally I am not a huge fan of the interior styling of either of these two, don't like the screens on top of the dash as to me it looks more like an after thought than designed.

Both these models have been around for a while now, particularly the X1, so they look just like one of the many others already on the road. I particularly like the total redesigned styling on the new Tiguan, means it stands out more on the road than the other 2 or the old model Tiguan.

I get the frustration on having to wait for the 162kw model, I would love to get mine much sooner but I have a car to use in the meantime and would rather wait for this than rush to get something else.

This of course is just my opinion and pricing over in Aus is obviously different to here, plus we don't have the corporate discounts you get over there.


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[Bambazonke]

Here's is what I discovered

My other point is, which would you prefer, a German car that is assembled in Germany or a German car that is assembled in the USA (BMW X1 that is)

Just my 2 cents for what it is worth

All of the BMW X range are now assembled in the Spartanburg NC plant and another plant in the USA and yes I would prefer my car to be assembled in the USA at least I know it will be "emission compliant" lol

[Transporter]

All of the BMW X range are now assembled in the Spartanburg NC plant and another plant in the USA and yes I would prefer my car to be assembled in the USA at least I know it will be "emission compliant" lol

How could you be so sure?

...and please don't take it (anyone) as an invitation to derail this thread to off topic one sided slamming match.

[tigger73]

I'm not in the market for a new car right now but as with all these things I'm expecting a lot of the options on the DAP and Luxury pack to find their way into the base model spec as time goes on.

Unfortunately the early adopters do pay a bit of a price premium.

The increase in the base price of $4-5k is probably the biggest difference in terms of comparing the "drive-away" price of the gen1 model to the "list price" of the equivalent gen2. You're looking at a $7-$10k differential between the "on the road" price of both these cars. Yes there's an increase in tech and a bit bigger boot but there's a significant price premium that a lot of current Tiguan owners are having a hard time getting their heads around.

Which is a pity really as you would have though that the current gen1 Tiguan owners would have been the obvious choice for people looking to upgrade to the new version. We're on our second Tiguan now and if the pricing was more in line with the gen1 Tig I would certainly have seen the move as a "no brainer". With current pricing I'm not quite so sure.

I suspect VW think they're sitting on a cash cow with the Tiguan and it's going to be the car/model to haul them out of the dieselgate abyss (financially). It is unfortunate that the model has been launched at the time that it has - with the company cash strapped and looking to bring the books back into balance. In the end the costs always end up getting passed onto the customer and I see the pricing of the new Tiguan in this light. I could be wrong but I'm almost certain the upward pressure on the price is partly due to the massive expense in other areas of the company.

[Janko]

I don't have any evidence for this but I suspect VW think they're sitting on a cash cow with the Tiguan and it's going to be the car/model to haul them out of the dieselgate abyss (financially) so everyone that is buying one of these is also paying into the diesel-gate bail-out fund.

Tigger I think you are spot on with your assessment there.Tiguan has a large fan base and they are looking to cash on that at least for the short term.If things do not work out they can always cut the price!

[tigger73]

I don't think we have seen the end of "Dieselgate" yet!! Just checkout the article below

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-emissions-row

Agree, though there's a whole other thread for discussion on this topic: http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...on-108532.html

I was just making the comment that the increase in the base price of the new Tiguan is likely related to the massive costs of fixing up the dieselgate mess.

[aussietig]

Mercedes GLA 220d 2WD 130kw TDI = $66,990
Mercedes GLA 250 4Matic 155kw Petrol = $79,300

This of course is just my opinion and pricing over in Aus is obviously different to here, plus we don't have the corporate discounts you get over there.

Clearly MB in NZ don't care about market share!

GLA250 is $68K driveaway for me! That's every option ticked (including R line equivalent "AMG" pack), except for the premium Harmon Kardon audio which I don't think is worth it!

This price above includes the corporate discount which is a $1,950 dealer delivery (which is steep) and 3 years free service.

Take these into account and I think it's only $5-6K more for a GLA250 over a 162TSI.

You do have an extra 7kW and a better DSG.

[NZ_GolfR]

GLA250 is $68K on road for me. Has everything including AMG interior and body kit, except the Sat Nav as don't think it's worth it as comes with CarPlay.

Corporate discount gives you $1950 dealer delivery (which is steep) and 3yr free service.

Take these into account it's a $5-6K between GLA250 and 162TSI.

You do have an extra 7kW.

It shows the difference between the two markets. MB has always positioned themselves as a premium high end car dealer here in NZ and the prices are reflected. To add the AMG pack to the GLA 250 is another $3,800 plus a further $2,500 for the Driver Assistance pack that the R Line comes standard with. That makes the GLA 250 RRP here $85,000 now obviously you could negotiate a better price but they aren't going to knock $20k off the price. Instead I have gone with an R Line with Dynaudio (I realise for some strange reason you can't get this in Aus) for $66,500 drive away and comes with all the options I want/need.


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[stark27]

Here's is what I discovered

Shortly after I a placed the order for my R Line I decided to try an exercise. I went to the BMW website here in NZ and specked up a new X1 BMW (I chose the X1 as it has similar dimensions to the Tig) By the time I had specked the X1 with all the options that I am getting with the R Line Tiguan the price came to more than 20K more than the R Line! I would hate to think what the the price would have been if I had used an X3 as an example? So to put it in a nutshell, do your homework before making any rash decisions.

My other point is, which would you prefer, a German car that is assembled in Germany or a German car that is assembled in the USA (BMW X1 that is)

Just my 2 cents for what it is worth

Mate, I'm agreeing with you