Razor80 Stage 3 Allspace R Build

[Razor80]

Your list looks solid. Don’t forget good spark plugs! I changed my flappy paddles to the racing line ones...they are very awesome, feels more like a solid rs feel.

If you have any power/time stats after install I’ll post them on the is38 and big turbo front page/summary thread.

Funny my tuner hasn't suggested this to me yet, maybe on dyno day! What would you suggest? I seen others upgrading there coil packs from the RS3 I think.

Yeah I'll upload my dyno sheet - Car was due to go in on Monday 24th but have a issue with my rear caliper, so it's on order from VW. So once done I will get it done. Everything that needed to be ordered has all arrived just waiting for my car

[tigger73]

Funny my tuner hasn't suggested this to me yet, maybe on dyno day! What would you suggest? I seen others upgrading there coil packs from the RS3 I think.

Yeah I'll upload my dyno sheet - Car was due to go in on Monday 24th but have a issue with my rear caliper, so it's on order from VW. So once done I will get it done. Everything that needed to be ordered has all arrived just waiting for my car

Who are you getting tuning done by out of interest?


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[Razor80]

To be honest If you're not going to go much bigger than the 340mm stock front brakes you may as well just upgrade the pads/rotors and be done with it. It really depends what you're chasing. 2 piece rotors will be lighter than the stock set-up so will reduce the rotating mass which is always a good thing. The stock calipers are pretty damn heavy too as they're cast stainless and weigh a ton. That being said you're driving an SUV so if you were really concerned about weight you'd be driving a hot hatch.

The 1 off braking performance between a 340mm stock set-up and a 345mm 4 pot you probably wouldn't notice. You'll pay a fair bit to change them over which is why I'd suggest just doing a pad/rotor change (optional) and paint them.

Unless you're going to significantly larger rotors you won't be achieving much in terms of better braking because you need the larger diameter and bigger contact area to make a noticeable difference.

So I'd either hunt around for some second-hand 4 pots if you really want to change the calipers or save up for a 380mm 6 pot set-up.

Even if you're doing some happy laps on the track a pad upgrade is probably all you really need.

The other thing to consider (and it's more of an issue on the Golfs) is if the larger brake calipers will fit under your wheels. I know a few people that have tried (and failed) to fit BBK's on Golfs and then had to fit spacers/got into problems with wheel poke and then had to get new wheels to fix the poke problem. It's less of an issue on the Tiguan due to the car running 10+mm more offset than Golf but something to keep in mind.

I am after less weight and larger rotating mass to stop the car without too much deterioration from the standard rotors getting too hot thus reduced braking capabilities. The standard brakes always weigh a ton and it's performance maybe fine and ideal for your standard vehicle but in a couple of weeks time mine will not.

I know it's not a hot hatch (ATM far from it) but who's saying it can't be bigger one, Well in an SUV form anyway haha... Besides this, the wheels (changing later) are blooming heavy but having a small reduction from the upgraded brakes will greatly help the suspension.

This is really twisting my brains! I am really contemplating to go the 6 pot avenue, judging by what you are saying and the fact there's not much in actual surface area for the 4 pots price point to be actually beneficial, especially when there's only $400 between the two kits. Just thinking like BMW, Audi, Merc etc, all use a better brake system based on the their higher spec versions and probably to enhance it's looks.

Anyway I have the funds (well budget) to get this done as I just want it done properly. I'll be kicking myself if (shortly) down the track if they'll not meeting my expectations, that I'll have to fork out even more cash that could be put towards something else or even a holiday for my family. I just want to enjoy my car and feel safe.

[Razor80]

Who are you getting tuning done by out of interest?


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Etuners Melbourne

[tigger73]

Etuners Melbourne

Gordy at Etuners Motorsport? I had heard that he had another Tig coming in just wasn’t sure if they were on here or not.


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[tigger73]

As you say the difference in cost between the 4 pots and 6 pots is not massive so definitely I’d go the bigger setup as you won’t regret it later.

You won’t die wondering what could have been. Do it once and do it right.

The only thing you need to be careful with is clearance on the inside. What stock rims are you running and how much space do you have to the stock caliper?


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[Tob35]

The disk diameter is only one thing.

4 pot vs the standard brake even of the same diameter has its advantages. Not the least being clamping pressure across the whole pad and usually a bigger pad.

The 4 pot Brembos on the F6 I had were plenty of brakes.

[Razor80]

Yes mate, Gordie in Dandenong. Think that other Tig is mine.
Why do you ask?

[Razor80]

Greg at brakes direct said I wont have any clearance issue its designed to fit without using spacers or altering anything. Believe its designed clearance is for a 19" + wheel. I am still going to use the 20" original Suzuka wheels.

Atm they are beating anyother deal for the BBK front and uprated rear with stock caliper. Should stop on a dime.

He said the Forza FP3 on front and FP2 on rears, still better then a Ferodo combination and being low dust etc.

[tigger73]

Yes mate, Gordie in Dandenong. Think that other Tig is mine.
Why do you ask?

Yep. I'm waiting on your Tig to get tuned before getting the final few psi dialled into mine.

[tigger73]

If you read the write-up on the Rancingline brakes (345mm) it clearly states in there that it's the performance after multiple stops that they're selling not the outright stopping performance on a single stop: Racingline Performance Monoblock Brake Upgrade - MK7 R/GTI, S3, VRS - Harding Performance

[Tob35]

If you read the write-up on the Rancingline brakes (345mm) it clearly states in there that it's the performance after multiple stops that they're selling not the outright stopping performance on a single stop: Racingline Performance Monoblock Brake Upgrade - MK7 R/GTI, S3, VRS - Harding Performance

Compared to a Golf R stock brakes package.

What's the difference between the tiggy brakes and the Golf R brakes?

[Razor80]

Yep. I'm waiting on your Tig to get tuned before getting the final few psi dialled into mine.

Oh really, do they work of others tunes? You have different spec to mine? What psi are you currently running?

[tigger73]

Compared to a Golf R stock brakes package.

What's the difference between the tiggy brakes and the Golf R brakes?

Yes the Racingline was comparison between stock Golf R and Racingline.

There's actually not a lot in it between the stock AWD Tig brakes and the Golf R set-up:

Tig FWD front: 312 x 25mm
Tig AWD front: 340 x 30mm
Golf R front: 340 x 30mm

Tig FWD rear: 300 x 12mm
Tig AWD rear: 300 x 12mm
Golf R rear: 310 x 22mm

The calipers are different between the Golf R and the Tig. Most of the heavy braking is getting done on the fronts and they're the same diameter/thickness. The Golf is 100kg or so lighter so it's going to pull up better than the Tig just on that basis.

[tigger73]

Oh really, do they work of others tunes? You have different spec to mine? What psi are you currently running?

I'm running an Etuners Motorsport tune. Files get written in Greece, Gordy converts them for local fuel here and either writes them into cars he has or sends them to Adelaide for Haines Mechanical to write to the car.

Our ECU's will likely be the same/very similar. Yes our hardware set-ups are going to be slightly different, however they're likely going to run into the same challenges with getting the ECU. Issues at the moment are getting the car to run higher boost without freaking out and going into protection mode.

I believe I'm running around 23psi currently. Car is rapid. It's going to be stupid quick when it's running 26-27psi.