Tiguan MQE platform (Electric Tiguan)

[Transporter]

Part of me likes it, but I’m not sure if I’d want to be between the first adopters.

[iDiesel]

I've driven an eGolf in NZ, a Renault Zoe and BMW i3 in Aust.
Their acceleration can be addictive (mores in the i3 that the other two), but there's not much else to them.
The electric motors are "old" technology that tried and tested.
It's really the battery tech that's "newish", so I would happily be an early adopter

[INASNT]

We have a few Zoe as pool cars at work, they suck.

This VW could be good, long as they offer something like a P100D option for a reasonable price.

[Transporter]

I hope the manufacturers will get it right and we won’t be seeing the lithium/cobalt gate scandal in the near future.

Will Your Electric Car Save the World or Wreck It? > ENGINEERING.com

Fire hazard

[Ozsko]

We have a few Zoe as pool cars at work, they suck.

This VW could be good, long as they offer something like a P100D option for a reasonable price.

Not all IC cars are very high performance so why does everyone expect electric cars to be. In fact if you looked at the power under the curve for a 60KW IC motor and compared it to a 60KW EV (which you really can't) the EV would have a huge advantage where it counts for in traffic driving and that is from a standing start or near to it.

It will be interesting to see how the manufacturers treat this country as a market because there is a lot of it that EV's simply are not suitable for and possibly might never be. 99% of the people who complain of range anxiety never drive outside the metro area anyway so it might not be a real problem, just a perceived one.

[iDiesel]

Yeah, my wife’s next car will likely be a BEV as it’ll only do small mileage as a daily driver with maybe an occassional drive up to the Central Coast and back ~150kms round trip

As long as we don’t have any polar vortex’s (vortices?) I think most electric vehicles should be ok - well in major city centres at least

[mpaska]

Not all IC cars are very high performance so why does everyone expect electric cars to be.

Between the simplified mechanics and the cost savings of that simplified mechanical design. Why wouldn’t the average consumer want performance?

A manufacturer would likely have to go out of their way to get subpar performance from a proper EV and intentionally downsize the electrics, and the cost saving to them would be minuscule.

With the exception of battery technology, EVs have the golden combo of being better*, cheaper and faster. It’s very, very rare you get those combos with modern engineering.

* I know, arguable. But EVs are simplified, more reliable and simplistic mechanical design. This leads to lower maintenance and running costs.

[Transporter]

According to the latest research from the Mobility, Logistics and Automotive Technology Research Centre at the Free University of Brussels (VUB), a battery-powered electric vehicle that uses electricity generated by fossil fuels will emit slightly more emissions over its lifetime than a diesel-powered car - still less than a petrol car.

How eco-friendly are electric cars? | Environment| All topics from climate change to conservation | DW | 04.08.2017

[INASNT]

Not all IC cars are very high performance so why does everyone expect electric cars to be. In fact if you looked at the power under the curve for a 60KW IC motor and compared it to a 60KW EV (which you really can't) the EV would have a huge advantage where it counts for in traffic driving and that is from a standing start or near to it.

It will be interesting to see how the manufacturers treat this country as a market because there is a lot of it that EV's simply are not suitable for and possibly might never be. 99% of the people who complain of range anxiety never drive outside the metro area anyway so it might not be a real problem, just a perceived one.

To get the average person to switch to full electric they have to offer something to intice them to switch, not all people are going to switch thinking its going to save the planet, which it wont...

When the Prius first came out my wife got one given to her 'not by choice' as a company car, she hated it and so did I. It was a boring Toyota made worse by the underpowered petrol and electric engines and it looked horrid.

[Ozsko]

According to the latest research from the Mobility, Logistics and Automotive Technology Research Centre at the Free University of Brussels (VUB), a battery-powered electric vehicle that uses electricity generated by fossil fuels will emit slightly more emissions over its lifetime than a diesel-powered car - still less than a petrol car.

How eco-friendly are electric cars? | Environment| All topics from climate change to conservation | DW | 04.08.2017

But countries like Germany are going to be fossil fuel free within the foreseeable future and a lot of owners in other places use solar to generate the required Ergs. I would love to quote some horse owners when the IC engine came along, I bet their reaction to it was similar, you can't drive it far because there is no where to fill it up. They had to set up fuel dumps for the early pioneer motorists driving between capital cities.

[Ozsko]

To get the average person to switch to full electric they have to offer something to intice them to switch, not all people are going to switch thinking its going to save the planet, which it wont...

When the Prius first came out my wife got one given to her 'not by choice' as a company car, she hated it and so did I. It was a boring Toyota made worse by the underpowered petrol and electric engines and it looked horrid.

I think you are wrong, the average person does not buy a car for performance in any shape or form, they buy for the convenience of getting from A to B every day and do not as a rule venture very far from home at any time on a regular basis. In other words they are not car enthusiasts so an enthusiast cannot use himself as a yard stick. Just because you don't think it is a good thing does not make it a bad thing for others. In every market demand for EV's has outstripped supply, why should Oz be any different.

[mpaska]

I think you are wrong, the average person does not buy a car for performance in any shape or form, they buy for the convenience of getting from A to B every day and do not as a rule venture very far from home at any time on a regular basis. In other words they are not car enthusiasts so an enthusiast cannot use himself as a yard stick.

I agree, and I can back your point up. I’m in these forums because I was late in the Tesla preorder cycle and my allocated build slot is still 18 months away. Our current car is annoying us, so we need an interim car.

So we bought a Tiguan without even looking at any performance stats or considerations, like at all. We bought it because we saw it on The Block, test drove it, liked it and wanted a reputable manufacturer and warranty. Really nothing else to it for me and my partner.

The only thing we stewed on was whether we went with the Wolfsburg (we did) simply so we wouldn’t have to worry/do research on all the package/extras and decipher what the hell they all gave you. The sales experience to the average Joe is very taxing, and this is an area where at least Tesla shines and what brought me to Tesla in first place - ability to order/configure a car online for me was worth gold.

[iDiesel]

Part of me likes it, but I’m not sure if I’d want to be between the first adopters.

Maybe this version might be more to your liking...

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