Tiguan Highline TSI162 Rline vs Mazda CX-5 (new 170kW/420Nm 2.5L Turbo)

[FastMitch]

After paying a deposit 5+ months ago and having the VW dealer re-neg on providing me a new Tiguan Highline TSI162 Rline, and with new reported issues of the Tiguan DSG transmission, I am now considering other options.

I want a powerful turbo petrol SUV preferably with a 6SP/8SP auto (no dodgy DSG / CVT).

Unfortunately Ford is not bringing the 2.6L V6 Twin Turbo Edge to Oz ... WTF!

The new Hyundai Santa Fe only comes in dirty diesel and the front Santa Fe looks really ugly.

That leaves me with the new CX-5 (170kW/420Nm 2.5L Petrol Twin Turbo) due to arrive in Oz the next month.
Mazda CX-5 2.5 turbo petrol shows up on Australian database | CarAdvice

Have people compared the VW Tiguan Highline Rline (162kW/350Nm) vs Mazda CX-5 (170kW/420Nm) when deciding to buy a new car ?

Cheers

[Grugly]

with new reported issues of the Tiguan DSG transmission

New reported issues? First I've heard of it...

[FastMitch]

New reported issues? First I've heard of it...

Here 4 Motion DSG Noise upon Deceleration at low speed! - VW Tiguan MK2 Forums

And here Have I received Lemon Tiguan 132T or again DSG old problems continue with Volkswagen?

And here VW group (audi, skoda, seat, etc) - Automatic gearbox issue -y haven't they been fixed | Motoring discussion | Back Room Forum | Honest John

[Grugly]

Here 4 Motion DSG Noise upon Deceleration at low speed! - VW Tiguan MK2 Forums

And here Have I received Lemon Tiguan 132T or again DSG old problems continue with Volkswagen?

And here VW group (audi, skoda, seat, etc) - Automatic gearbox issue -y haven't they been fixed | Motoring discussion | Back Room Forum | Honest John

None of these are "new" reported issues as most of them are from 2017.

In my opinion as well most of these are from people who are more familiar with an automatic gear box rather than a DSG.

I get you had a poor experience with the dealer screwing you but feel you would be better looking at a Mazda forum to get advice on an alternative rather than attempt to trash a car that in my opinion has no more or less issues than any other car brand.

[FastMitch]

None of these are "new" reported issues as most of them are from 2017.

In my opinion as well most of these are from people who are more familiar with an automatic gear box rather than a DSG.

I get you had a poor experience with the dealer screwing you but feel you would be better looking at a Mazda forum to get advice on an alternative rather than attempt to trash a car that in my opinion has no more or less issues than any other car brand.

I am not trashing VW (no 5yr standard warranty & 8 SP), just considering my options as my original order feel through.
Maybe it is a sign from God

The issues with DSG are driving Toyota, BMW and other brands to all dump DSG in favor of 8 SP TC.
Does this mean BMW is trashing VW by dumping DSG ??

BMW M to dump dual-clutches, go auto-only within a decade

New 8-speed and 10-speed Automatic Transmissions (Direct Shift-8AT & Direct Shift-10AT) | TOYOTA Global Newsroom

Audi shifts away from dual clutch transmissions - Audi shifts away from dual clutch transmissions

Where is the Mazda forum ?

[Grugly]

I am not trashing VW (no 5yr standard warranty & 8 SP), just considering my options as my original order feel through.
Maybe it is a sign from God

The issues with DSG are driving Toyota, BMW and other brands to all dump DSG in favor of 8 SP TC.
Does this mean BMW is trashing VW by dumping DSG ??

BMW M to dump dual-clutches, go auto-only within a decade

New 8-speed and 10-speed Automatic Transmissions (Direct Shift-8AT & Direct Shift-10AT) | TOYOTA Global Newsroom

Where is the Mazda forum ?

I wouldn't know where a Mazda forum is as I bought and recieved our VW's.

And I've never heard of Toyota using a dual clutch however I am sure you will find a forum posts somewhere to prove me wrong...

I guess what annoys me is when you make sweeping statements about a car you don't own nor drive consistently enough to pass judgement on.. it's like having an opinion on international affairs but you don't know what's actually going on.

Sure, get on ask if anyone has compared the two brands or cars.. but there is no need to make false statements about reliability issues on a something you have no direct experience or understanding of.

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[davesc63]

I ordered a CX5 before the Mazda dealer screwed me around on delivery etc so I got my deposit back and have now a Tiguan and much happier with the choice!

the CX5 petrol needs a turbo because it’s so under-powered in NA form. In saying that... read some of the responses in whirlpool. While it sounds great to have the 2.5 turbo engine. People don’t rate the Mazda6 as a rocket ship so putting it into a larger car isn’t going to help the matter

[FastMitch]

I guess what annoys me is when you make sweeping statements about a car you don't own nor drive consistently enough to pass judgement on.. it's like having an opinion on international affairs but you don't know what's actually going on.

Sure, get on ask if anyone has compared the two brands or cars.. but there is no need to make false statements about reliability issues on a something you have no direct experience or understanding of.

I test drove a VW Tiguan Highline for 2 days. I didn't experience any DSG issues and it drove fine for me. In fact I liked it so much I placed an order the following week (5+ months ago). However I doubt VW would have given me a Tiguan that had DSG issues to test drive. The danger with DSG issues is VW appears to always deny there is an issue. Having read other people's posts that swear they have real DSG issues, they sound genuine to me. Just because the issue maybe 1:100 and VW deny there is an issue doesn't mean it doesn't exist for those affected.

"Originally developed for performance cars such as the TT, Volkswagen Golf R32 and Bugatti Veyron, the technology is gradually being withdrawn from high-torque machines in favour of smoother and more reliable torque converter transmissions."

I have owned 2 VW's before as well as other cars, so I do have some experience with what goes wrong with cars and what to avoid to buy
(i.e. cars with DPF, CVT, DSG, Sunroof, < 5yrs warranty)

As for commenting on international affairs, this may be for you. Spot the difference.
https://twitter.com/FarleyFilms/status/1049293858402517000/video/1
vs
Protesters shine torches on Sydney Opera House to disrupt horse racing ad – video | Australia news | The Guardian

[iDiesel]

That leaves me with the new CX-5 (170kW/420Nm 2.5L Petrol Twin Turbo) due to arrive in Oz the next month.
Mazda CX-5 2.5 turbo petrol shows up on Australian database | CarAdvice

Have people compared the VW Tiguan Highline Rline (162kW/350Nm) vs Mazda CX-5 (170kW/420Nm) when deciding to buy a new car ?

Cheers

I found the rear legroom and boot too small for my requirements as much as I loved the feel of the CX5

[bee2gee]

Don’t get me wrong, the CX-5 is a nice looking car and the dash is finished nicely. For me, that’s where it stopped though. The leather seat finish was sub-par; stitching didn’t look straight, leather didn’t seem laid properly and the seams were messy. One of the most common interactions we have with our cars is closing doors, I know it sound gimmichy however there was no “nice thud”, something I’ve experienced with VW and other brands. The CX-5 was absolutely an option for us however when we saw it in the flesh we were really disappointed. It is a massive shame they they didn’t finish the rest of the car in the same way as some of the other components. VW dropping the TDI is a massive bug bear, I ended up with a Wolf Tig though, bye fuel.....

[Ozsko]

Have people compared the VW Tiguan Highline Rline (162kW/350Nm) vs Mazda CX-5 (170kW/420Nm) when deciding to buy a new car ?

Cheers

That's impossible if the Mazda has not arrived yet.

[Sydneykid]

with new reported issues of the Tiguan DSG transmission

According to VFacts VW sell around 50,000 cars a year, most of them DSG's, let's say around 200,000 VW's with DSG's over the last 5 years. So it's not exactly reliable to look at a handful of people complaining about their personal DSG experience and ignore the 199,000 of us who find them to be just fine. In fact I could never go back to a either a manual or an torque converter auto after having 3 DSG equipped cars over the last 7 years.

Cheers
Gary

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

In fact I could never go back to a either a manual or an torque converter auto after having 3 DSG equipped cars over the last 7 years.

Cheers
Gary

New ZF boxes are pretty good

Also Hi Gary! - saw that you popped on SAU the other day haah

[Kachingg]

New ZF boxes are pretty good

Also Hi Gary! - saw that you popped on SAU the other day haah

I have had almost all the variations of vw dsg dry and wet dq200 dry 7 speed, dq250 wet 6 speed and now dq381 7 speed wet i found the dq200 to be a bit jerky at low speed also the dq250 but not as bad easy to get used to for both of them tho

The dq381 i have now is imo the ducks guts smooth no jerks in low gears ect ect love it

Also no issues with any of the dsg boxs (there are also 3 more dq200 dry's in the family) because i taught all my family how to drive them if you drive them like a regular auto you will have issues.
Drive them like a manual cause that's what they are a computer controlled manual and it's very unlikely to give you issues

[Orpheus2k]

We went down this path too, RAV4 vs CX5 vs Disco Sport vs Tiguan (rline). Between CX5 (Akera) vs Tiguan R-Line it was a no contest, looks, space, pano roof the Tiguan takes the cake. The biggest issue for us was the rear leg room and pano roof which were show stoppers for us.