APR Tune - 162TSI - worth every $$

[OZROD]

Thanks everyone for the replies! Cost quoted was about $100 more than the $1040, but still fine.
Does anyone in Sydney have any thoughts about using VolksMuller? There's one in Dural (not too far) and one a bit further out in Annangrove (seems to be in the middle of nowhere) - does anyone have preference?

[Wolfsburger]

Question is if the internals of our gearbox is the same as the RS3....

Valid question. With guys already running a lot more HP and torque than my ride only time will tell. Not quite sure the OEM would mass produce a gearbox and state what it is and then designate what internals go where or what platform they are headed to, then again maybe they do. With 2.5 tonnes towing capacity one would think they would ensure durability and strength but the first rule of anything is never assume anything.

[Wolfsburger]

Thanks everyone for the replies! Cost quoted was about $100 more than the $1040, but still fine.
Does anyone in Sydney have any thoughts about using VolksMuller? There's one in Dural (not too far) and one a bit further out in Annangrove (seems to be in the middle of nowhere) - does anyone have preference?

I don’t have a preference for installer but maybe others here might have, other than one that’s closest to you geographically. It’s handy to be close especially if your sticking with VW servicing. I doubt many do for obvious reasons of apprentice’s and workmanship, but each to their own. Your tuner should be able to offer very competitive servicing that won’t void your warranty.

[Ozsko]

Besides, they can’t log the flash if it’s already been returned to OEM prior to handing them the keys. 

There have been reports from VW service techs that this is not true. There was a thread on this some months ago and the reports were from independent sources. I had a VW tech tell me that they could see where a tune had been removed and others have corroborated that statement.

[Wolfsburger]

Interested to see the power and torque curves if you can get it on a dyno, to compare to my etuners motorsport tune.

Too much variation in dyno’s, ambient air temps, brands and operators, heat soak, fuel, the list goes on. We dyno race engines a hell of a lot and the variation is quite significant, even on dyno of the same era two doors down. The only way to compare is everyone on the same dyno. Even better someone organise a Tig race meet at the strip. I’d be in that!

[Melbourne_Tiggy]

Go VolksMuller, they are the northern master distributors for APR. They have also opened a tuning shop in Castle Hill “German Performance Garage.” I’m VIC based but have heard good things about them.

[OZROD]

Ah, I hadn't heard about German Performance Garage, I'll go see them tomorrow!
Thanks Melbourne_Tiggy

[Wolfsburger]

There have been reports from VW service techs that this is not true. There was a thread on this some months ago and the reports were from independent sources. I had a VW tech tell me that they could see where a tune had been removed and others have corroborated that statement.

That’s interesting. Maybe because VW didn’t make their cut on the upgrade they are a bit salty?
I got offered the “power upgrade” by two different VW dealers, both quoted $3500 for what you can get for just over a thousand, and they use APR. I know of one customer that paid that sort of freight to the dealer, it was a GTi. When I got my install done there was a brand new Golf R that the dealer dropped off, 38klms on the clock, no idea what they stung him. Both cars were delivered as new, upgraded performance vehicles.

Would have thought if VW knew my car had a tune they would have told me, especially considering it’s since had a front headlight replaced under warranty?

[tigger73]

Would have thought if VW knew my car had a tune they would have told me, especially considering it’s since had a front headlight replaced under warranty?

Having a tune doesn't effect getting a headlight replaced under warranty. The rest of your car still has warranty - just the engine/drivetrain may be questionable.

[FastMitch]

Having a tune doesn't effect getting a headlight replaced under warranty. The rest of your car still has warranty - just the engine/drivetrain may be questionable.

Not that I quite understand what is required for an APR tune but ...

Is it easy enough to do the APR tune but then revert back when you have to do the annual service ?

[OZROD]

Yep, you can have it reverted back, the concern is that VW Service techs can detect the fact that modifications have been made to the ECU (I think it's just a counter of the number of times the ECU has been flashed) and ASSUME that the additional flashes were outside of warranty.

[tigger73]

Not that I quite understand what is required for an APR tune but ...

Is it easy enough to do the APR tune but then revert back when you have to do the annual service ?

Most people that get their cars tuned get them serviced at VW independent workshops and this avoids a lot of hassles. Only go back to the dealer if there is a warranty item that needs to be fixed.

It's only really an issue if the dealer has to hook your car up to the computer as this will check/flag up if the ECU has been modified.

[Wolfsburger]

Most people that get their cars tuned get them serviced at VW independent workshops and this avoids a lot of hassles. Only go back to the dealer if there is a warranty item that needs to be fixed.

It's only really an issue if the dealer has to hook your car up to the computer as this will check/flag up if the ECU has been modified.

With no reference or finger pointing anyone here, I reckon this “assumption” about dealer techs knowing your car has had a tune and then had it removed, particularly if everything else on the car is OEM (no exhaust mods or anything visual) is a load of BS. I’m going to dig around a bit and see what I can find other than what’s on this forum. When it comes to warranty, everyone, not just car dealerships will look for any excuse not to have to shell out. There’s more scare mongering on tuning then there is on an impending cyclone yet tens of thousands of cars are tuned every year.

The amount of Euro tuned cars both here and o/s is staggering. The morning I got my car tuned there were 4 million dollars worth of Porsche’s lined up before me getting tunes, it wasn’t worth counting the VW R’s and GTi’s lining both streets, I reckon 70% of them were brand spankers. That was in the first two hours of the day. Tuned, late model cars are absolutely everywhere and it’s not isolated to young hoons in 5 year old Golf R’s and GTi’s.

There’s a lot of axes to grind in arrogant, ignorant dealerships especially when they miss out on robbing you more coin.
All you gotta do is see how many are robbed blind with paint protection to get the jist. I specifically asked the tech if there were any fault codes or any concerns after the 2000klm service, I told him I drove the car hard after 1000klms (which wasn’t true) to see if any eyebrows were raised. His response was that the car was fault free, no residual codes and was running exactly how it should.

If someone comes up with some fact, other than “reliable sources” or multiple individuals agreeing, to me it’s just talk. If the facts show as true, I will happily stand corrected.

At the end of the day, I wouldn’t return my car to OEM even if my warranty was void. This is a decision that each individual has to make, like I said in an earlier post it’s risk v reward. My car performs exactly like it should in the first place, and after tune there is absolutely no way physically you can tell, it does everything it did before tune, no grumpiness, no dash lights coming up, nothing. It’s perfect as if it came from the factory right until you put your foot down.

If the car was highly strung from the factory, like a lot of 4 cylinder TD 4wds these days, there is no way I’d have considered a tune. With mild mechanical smarts, it’s not hard to see how detuned the 162 engine is and I’m not planning on taking this car to its very limits. After stage 1, the car is a completely different animal and wouldn’t swap it for quids.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Thanks everyone for the replies! Cost quoted was about $100 more than the $1040, but still fine.
Does anyone in Sydney have any thoughts about using VolksMuller? There's one in Dural (not too far) and one a bit further out in Annangrove (seems to be in the middle of nowhere) - does anyone have preference?

All APR tunes are the same, regardless of the dealer/the so called "tuner" etc. They're just a flash, and basically just that. The maps are designed by APR for APR resellers/dealers.

Dealer 1 vs Dealer 2 = Same tune, same tune file

Stage 1 from Dealer 1 = Stage 1 from Dealer 2~X

[Psych101]

With no reference or finger pointing anyone here, I reckon this “assumption” about dealer techs knowing your car has had a tune and then had it removed, particularly if everything else on the car is OEM (no exhaust mods or anything visual) is a load of BS. I’m going to dig around a bit and see what I can find other than what’s on this forum. When it comes to warranty, everyone, not just car dealerships will look for any excuse not to have to shell out. There’s more scare mongering on tuning then there is on an impending cyclone yet tens of thousands of cars are tuned every year.

The amount of Euro tuned cars both here and o/s is staggering. The morning I got my car tuned there were 4 million dollars worth of Porsche’s lined up before me getting tunes, it wasn’t worth counting the VW R’s and GTi’s lining both streets, I reckon 70% of them were brand spankers. That was in the first two hours of the day. Tuned, late model cars are absolutely everywhere and it’s not isolated to young hoons in 5 year old Golf R’s and GTi’s.

There’s a lot of axes to grind in arrogant, ignorant dealerships especially when they miss out on robbing you more coin.
All you gotta do is see how many are robbed blind with paint protection to get the jist. I specifically asked the tech if there were any fault codes or any concerns after the 2000klm service, I told him I drove the car hard after 1000klms (which wasn’t true) to see if any eyebrows were raised. His response was that the car was fault free, no residual codes and was running exactly how it should.

If someone comes up with some fact, other than “reliable sources” or multiple individuals agreeing, to me it’s just talk. If the facts show as true, I will happily stand corrected.

At the end of the day, I wouldn’t return my car to OEM even if my warranty was void. This is a decision that each individual has to make, like I said in an earlier post it’s risk v reward. My car performs exactly like it should in the first place, and after tune there is absolutely no way physically you can tell, it does everything it did before tune, no grumpiness, no dash lights coming up, nothing. It’s perfect as if it came from the factory right until you put your foot down.

If the car was highly strung from the factory, like a lot of 4 cylinder TD 4wds these days, there is no way I’d have considered a tune. With mild mechanical smarts, it’s not hard to see how detuned the 162 engine is and I’m not planning on taking this car to its very limits. After stage 1, the car is a completely different animal and wouldn’t swap it for quids.

Not sure if this link will work but someone posted about detection previously in the mk2 tuning thread:
Mk2 Tiguan Tuning

piggyback and flash tunes if VW really want can check and flag TD1 and TB1 ...so either way ...you pay to play ...and take the risk <br />
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