Golf 40th vs Golf R

[Bassik]

My prices in the table are ACTUAL MRSP as quoted by VW Australia. Anecdotal figures quoted on forums or by my cousins aunts partner who knows a VW salesperson, has no basis for a FACTUAL comparison.

FWIW, I paid $52K drive away for my CS with other incentives thrown in. I'm 6K wealthier than your "friends" who paid 58K. Whichever figures you use, the "R" is going to cost 6K more, based on what the dealer has to pay, which is based on the MRSP.

If the dealer decides to take a haircut on his profit by reducing the add on dealer costs, and how desperate they are for sales because the accountant has told them to reduce inventory, then that's your lucky day.

You won't convince me that the CS is not better "bang for your buck" than the R.

As for your conjecture re sale prices in 3 years, it is just star gazing. May I borrow your crystal ball so that I can see what shares to buy tomorrow?

ha ha well said. I've said this before and as I'm not taking sides but if you include 2nd hand or demonstrator models you'll have a better chance scoring a better deal on an R, but this goes without say as the car has been out for over 2 years. I saw an R manual with 2500kms on it with sunroof MY16 for $42k this week on carsales. Now that's a pretty good deal. Finance was still an option and the car was a demo. I think it was only up for 2 days. You don't have much of a buffer with the CS, maybe 5k give or take, however I feel they aren't selling as well as one would think. There is still 10 listed on carsales in NSW. I think the general public just thinks "wow, for $55k, get an R, you'd be silly to pay that much for a GTi". What I do think is that it really makes it an easy choice if one was to decide on the GTi PP or CS. That's a no brainer then, it's the pick of range for the GTi's, it's just not a typical production model.

$52k is nuts that has to be manual no roof?

[Billecartz]

My prices in the table are ACTUAL MRSP as quoted by VW Australia. Anecdotal figures quoted on forums or by my cousins aunts partner who knows a VW salesperson, has no basis for a FACTUAL comparison.

FWIW, I paid $52K drive away for my CS with other incentives thrown in. I'm 6K wealthier than your "friends" who paid 58K. Whichever figures you use, the "R" is going to cost 6K more, based on what the dealer has to pay, which is based on the MRSP.

If the dealer decides to take a haircut on his profit by reducing the add on dealer costs, and how desperate they are for sales because the accountant has told them to reduce inventory, then that's your lucky day.

You won't convince me that the CS is not better "bang for your buck" than the R.

As for your conjecture re sale prices in 3 years, it is just star gazing. May I borrow your crystal ball so that I can see what shares to buy tomorrow?

I changed my order to a DSG on Saturday and pickup my 40th Wednesday, I managed to get it for $52,200 which I thought was a great deal compared to others.

The R is a great car but they are like pimples, everyone has one. The 40th is limited and is basically an R without the rear differential, they will hold their value more as it will be more difficult to find and especially the colour you want.

[Brian]

ha ha well said. I've said this before and as I'm not taking sides but if you include 2nd hand or demonstrator models you'll have a better chance scoring a better deal on an R, but this goes without say as the car has been out for over 2 years. I saw an R manual with 2500kms on it with sunroof MY16 for $42k this week on carsales. Now that's a pretty good deal. Finance was still an option and the car was a demo. I think it was only up for 2 days. You don't have much of a buffer with the CS, maybe 5k give or take, however I feel they aren't selling as well as one would think. There is still 10 listed on carsales in NSW. I think the general public just thinks "wow, for $55k, get an R, you'd be silly to pay that much for a GTi". What I do think is that it really makes it an easy choice if one was to decide on the GTi PP or CS. That's a no brainer then, it's the pick of range for the GTi's, it's just not a typical production model.

$52k is nuts that has to be manual no roof?

White DSG no roof. The manual hadn't been announced when I ordered mine in May. Which was fine as I wanted the DSG. Other options when I ordered where GTI PP DSG carbon steel for 45400 drive away. White R DSG for 58k. I dismissed the R because I already had a Focus RS on order since January, and by all accounts will smash the R for less money (58k with forged wheels and Michi PSC2 tyres).

Came back to the PP and the CS. I was somewhat disappointed with the lack of power in the PP so figured the CS would be the equal (in power, not handling) to my Megane RS. Also the limited edition came into it for the "stand out from the crowd" factor in the CS.

So I bought it. Now after 1500ks, my decision has been vindicated in all respects. So much so that I have cancelled my Focus RS order. Mind you, if I'd seen that R you mentioned for 42k when I was shopping, THAT would have tempted me enormously! Why didn't you grab it? That price blows all my value for money arguments out the window LOL.

[rosslm]

White DSG no roof. The manual hadn't been announced when I ordered mine in May. Which was fine as I wanted the DSG. Other options when I ordered where GTI PP DSG carbon steel for 45400 drive away. White R DSG for 58k. I dismissed the R because I already had a Focus RS on order since January, and by all accounts will smash the R for less money (58k with forged wheels and Michi PSC2 tyres).

Came back to the PP and the CS. I was somewhat disappointed with the lack of power in the PP so figured the CS would be the equal (in power, not handling) to my Megane RS. Also the limited edition came into it for the "stand out from the crowd" factor in the CS.

So I bought it. Now after 1500ks, my decision has been vindicated in all respects. So much so that I have cancelled my Focus RS order. Mind you, if I'd seen that R you mentioned for 42k when I was shopping, THAT would have tempted me enormously! Why didn't you grab it? That price blows all my value for money arguments out the window LOL.

Brian you should've tried an R with a Burger JB1 turns the R an absolute cracker of a drive, I've had it on my R for four months still get goose bumps and look for chewing gum everytime I go for the keys. Enjoy your drive sure it's good.

[jdw]

White DSG no roof. The manual hadn't been announced when I ordered mine in May. Which was fine as I wanted the DSG. Other options when I ordered where GTI PP DSG carbon steel for 45400 drive away. White R DSG for 58k. I dismissed the R because I already had a Focus RS on order since January, and by all accounts will smash the R for less money (58k with forged wheels and Michi PSC2 tyres).

Came back to the PP and the CS. I was somewhat disappointed with the lack of power in the PP so figured the CS would be the equal (in power, not handling) to my Megane RS. Also the limited edition came into it for the "stand out from the crowd" factor in the CS.

So I bought it. Now after 1500ks, my decision has been vindicated in all respects. So much so that I have cancelled my Focus RS order. Mind you, if I'd seen that R you mentioned for 42k when I was shopping, THAT would have tempted me enormously! Why didn't you grab it? That price blows all my value for money arguments out the window LOL.

Hi, What do others think about the PP option at around $45k ( there are still a few out there) that's almost $10k under the ED40....thoughts.

[Fish Jetski]

I have enjoyed reading this thread and can imagine that as stock the CS is a bit of a weapon and really challenges the R. I wonder if that is still the case after a stage 1 or stage 2 tune. The additional power which has been documented as quite significant and is likely to strengthen the case for the R directly in comparison with the CS. Thoughts?


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[VRJ]

Hi, What do others think about the PP option at around $45k ( there are still a few out there) that's almost $10k under the ED40....thoughts.

My PP has Stage 1 APR. Man that is a weapon.

[Bassik]

White DSG no roof. The manual hadn't been announced when I ordered mine in May. Which was fine as I wanted the DSG. Other options when I ordered where GTI PP DSG carbon steel for 45400 drive away. White R DSG for 58k. I dismissed the R because I already had a Focus RS on order since January, and by all accounts will smash the R for less money (58k with forged wheels and Michi PSC2 tyres).

Came back to the PP and the CS. I was somewhat disappointed with the lack of power in the PP so figured the CS would be the equal (in power, not handling) to my Megane RS. Also the limited edition came into it for the "stand out from the crowd" factor in the CS.

So I bought it. Now after 1500ks, my decision has been vindicated in all respects. So much so that I have cancelled my Focus RS order. Mind you, if I'd seen that R you mentioned for 42k when I was shopping, THAT would have tempted me enormously! Why didn't you grab it? That price blows all my value for money arguments out the window LOL.

I didn't go for the R because it was a manual and I'm a bit of a DSG fan. Also if I went manual I think I'd go CS for sure just for the pure drivers enjoyment. Yeah when I saw it online it really made me think, that's a nutter of a price. Wonder why it was only up for two days.

As for the GTi PP I have driven that car also and if that had a stage 1 I'd say it would be pretty fast. It would be considered a cheaper option to get to CS. I've been reading up on the Burgers JB1 and I would consider that if I went an R but I'm not 100% on the whole "tricking the ECU" thing.

All I can say is having driven all 3 the CS was the one that put a smile on my face. In terms of looks and aesthetic appeal well I'm torn between the R and the CS and the interior well that's another thing. I still prefer my MK6 then any MK7. I'm a little OCD when it comes to being asymmetrical...lol

$52,200 for DSG is still crazy price. When I see people getting the CS for around this price it really makes it more competitive. In terms of options the only thing that sets it away from the R is heated leather seats, front sensors and a smaller boot. The CS is just heaps better but it's only new atm and is LE so not many about.

[Bassik]

Brian you should've tried an R with a Burger JB1 turns the R an absolute cracker of a drive, I've had it on my R for four months still get goose bumps and look for chewing gum everytime I go for the keys. Enjoy your drive sure it's good.

Yeah I'm eager to hear more thoughts on this as I hear people saying it should be stock.

[WhiteJames]

My understanding is that the GTI ED40 Clubsport has softer front springs, larger rear sway bar, and more aero to keep it stable at higher speeds. Fair enough.

Why not purchase the GTI PP for 10K cheaper and add a set of VW Driver Gear Springs (genuine VW accessory in USA/ Euro/Japan) for no more than 1K supplied and fitted. The VW Driver Gear genuine springs will add stability at higher speeds on the GTI PP, perhaps more so than the standard springs on the ED40 Clubsport (I had the VW DG springs on my MK6 with DCC, they're great at 80kph + cornering):

Post your VWR springs in setups in here - Page 6 - GOLFMK7 - VW GTI MKVII Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVII Forum

Not a fan of chipping up a FWD ... only burn up the front tyres.

Fast forward 3 years and WJ's oracle is stating that prospective purchasers of ED40 Clubsport GTI's will want them for about 1.5K more than the standard GTI PP.

On another note, I think the DSG will well suited to the Golf R motor. Like they are made for each other. I drive a Manual Trans Golf 7 GTI atm.

The Passat R-Line in Silver looks hot too. Much better in real life than in pics. Makes the Golf look tiny.

WJ

[Bassik]

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My understanding is that the GTI ED40 Clubsport has softer front springs, larger rear sway bar, and more aero to keep it stable at higher speeds. Fair enough.

Why not purchase the GTI PP for 10K cheaper and add a set of VW Driver Gear Springs (genuine VW accessory in USA/ Euro/Japan) for no more than 1K supplied and fitted. The VW Driver Gear genuine springs will add stability at higher speeds on the GTI PP, perhaps more so than the standard springs on the ED40 Clubsport (I had the VW DG springs on my MK6 with DCC, they're great at 80kph + cornering):

Post your VWR springs in setups in here - Page 6 - GOLFMK7 - VW GTI MKVII Forum / VW Golf R Forum / VW Golf MKVII Forum

Not a fan of chipping up a FWD ... only burn up the front tyres.

Fast forward 3 years and WJ's oracle is stating that prospective purchasers of ED40 Clubsport GTI's will want them for about 1.5K more than the standard GTI PP.

On another note, I think the DSG will well suited to the Golf R motor. Like they are made for each other. I drive a Manual Trans Golf 7 GTI atm.

The Passat R-Line in Silver looks hot too. Much better in real life than in pics. Makes the Golf look tiny.

WJ

Funny you say that coz I was actually thinking of just getting a sway bar for my current GTi. I had it on my Polo Gti and it did wonders, transformed the car. Not a real fan of the front of the MK7 GTi so I don't think I'd go for a PP but the 10k price diff does seem appealing, fully optioned thought then your in the CS bracket.

Passat for me is to BIG of a car. I'm a pocket rocket/hot hatch kinda guy

[ringo]

Why not purchase the GTI PP for 10K cheaper and add a set of VW Driver Gear Springs (genuine VW accessory in USA/ Euro/Japan) for no more than 1K supplied and fitted. The VW Driver Gear genuine springs will add stability at higher speeds on the GTI PP, perhaps more so than the standard springs on the ED40 Clubsport (I had the VW DG springs on my MK6 with DCC, they're great at 80kph + cornering):

WJ

Because it still won't be or look like a Clubsport? Just saying... For GTI PP owners yes it'd make sense but if buying now with the plan of directly modifying it to get to higher level (that's already available in stock form) i don't think there will a lot between them cost-wise after all mods + work are taken into account. Not to mention a modded car is not ever valued as the sum of its (upgraded) parts but a lot less of what you've actually spent on it...

Not a fan of chipping up a FWD ... only burn up the front tyres.

Oh, it's really good fun when you leave EVO's or S3's behind on rolling acceleration drag races, I've had/driven a couple of 350+ bhp FWD (and 100kg+ lighter than that Clubsport) without issues.

And enough with this burning tyre/ no traction. Only a monkey just mindlessly floors the pedal on a powerful/tuned FWD and expects to go. Since when did everybody forget about throttle modulation at very low speeds? Above 50km/h (which is a speed you are anyway only doing around town) the car just catapults forward. Good upgraded tyres help a lot also. Don't expect to make the best out of the car on nearly any stock tyre.

The Passat R-Line in Silver looks hot too. Much better in real life than in pics. Makes the Golf look tiny.

WJ

Did you say Passat and hot?

[Fish Jetski]

Am I the only one who enjoys forward thrust from standstill that is fierce and doesn't involve massive wheelspin? Rolling acceleration races are fine but invariably risk your licence...


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[sparkyboy69]

I purchased a GTi PP 10 months ago, happy with everything but felt slightly underpowered. Did my research and decided on plug and play RaceChip Ultimate after 15K service. Blown away by extra power and torque, no dyno yet but reckon it's given it an extra 40+ kW.


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[WhiteJames]

Reviews are starting to flood in. Looks like they are restricted primarily to the local racetrack with just a bit of public roadway driving:

Volkswagen Golf GTI 40 Years 2016 Review – Car Reviews, News & Advice - carsales.com.au

2016 Volkswagen Golf GTI 40 Years Review | CarAdvice

Volkswagen Golf GTI 40 Years 2016 review | first drive | CarsGuide

2016 Volkswagen Golf GTI 40 Years | GoAuto - Overview

But the Golf 7.5 seems just around the corner where it may be prudent to wait until September 2016?

Volkswagen 2017 Golf GTI - More VW Golf GTI, R variants coming | GoAuto

Sometime Volkswagen Australia gets it right in terms of marketing, sometimes they get it very wrong (e.g. MKIV Golf R32 for 75K new). It was always a big mistake not to bring the VW Golf 7 GTI with LSD in Manual Trans form. Apparently all the Manual Trans ED40 Clubsports are sold out ... All 100 of them!

WJ