The Official Mk7 Golf DSG / Clutch / Shudder / Squeal Issues Thread

[RMBB]

lcy2004vip, I have a DSG MK7 MY16 Golf R with 6K on the clock (and never launch controlled) and I think I know what you are talking about.

This is what it feels and sounds like with my car to me. When in Manual Mode, it usually happens up or down between 1st to 2nd gear (maybe also changing down 3rd to 2nd too). It feels and sounds like if I were driving a manual and dumping the clutch with mis-matched revs. So the car lurches a bit and makes an unfavourable mechanical sound. I don't believe it should do this given it is a computer with 1 billion sensors and should be able to esentially perfectly match the revs, it's almost like it's engaging the clutch too soon, instead of waiting for the right revs.

I don't think this occurs when in D or S.

In the mean time I will need to find a way to replicate the judder consistently and then test on the Dealer R's to see what happens under the same situation.

For those who believe that the car needs to "learn" your behaviour should note that it is a dealers favourite line to pass off DSG issues. The car should never learn something that will result in clutch slipping, clutch dumping, jerking and selecting completely inappropriate gears. What the car will learn is if it knows you're either a lead foot or a feather foot to know how soon it should change or hold gears i.e. It will hold Lower gears for longer for lead foots (more power!!!) and faster changing to higher gears for feather foots (economical).

If anyone is having issues, I know that a clutch re-learn is something that may help and I will probably ask for down the track. The clutch will attempt to understand its own limits/parameters, therefore fully engage clutch/clutch clamping pressure to stop shuddering or in my situation apply the clutch slower or at a more appropriate friction point to stop the harsh shifting shudder.

I just hope in the mean time that is isn't wrecking my DSG clutch plates or anything else.

I am interested to hear any opinions or experiences around this, particularly with the Golf R.

[Ryeman]

DSG should be seemless if working correctly and you're right about the sports style of driving .......that's just different timing and holding gears.
A 'dumping the clutch' feeling is a fault signal.

[SevenR]

obliviously it is more fragile than ordinary manual gearbox

i thought it was actually the opposite!

[Ryeman]

It's certainly more complex and maybe that's because automatic transmissions are becoming the preferred choice worldwide and this type gives the lowest emissions test figures.
I think EPAs are the true car designers these days and engineers answer to them.

[lcy2004vip]

i thought it was actually the opposite!

what i mean is normal stick box has much lower fault rate and cheaper to replace. but if you were referring dq250 holds more torque than manual version GTI i agree.

[lcy2004vip]

DSG should be seemless if working correctly and you're right about the sports style of driving .......that's just different timing and holding gears.
A 'dumping the clutch' feeling is a fault signal.

that's what i'm worrying about. but it only happened once or twice under manual model and high rev changing between 1st and 2nd, nothing for D or S.

[lcy2004vip]

no weird sound to mine but a heavy stall feeling exactly like a high rev gear changing in a manual car. Will that be 1st gear is actually for a start so DSG is designed not to put too much power on 1st, force it close to redline with manual will probably causing the stalling??? i guess that explains why DSG often changes early from 1st to 2nd in D or S. these was just my guessing anyway.

i agree with RMBB which such a high-tech box should prevent this from happening by picking the perfect time to engage clutch.

[fung9420]

I don't think it happened when my S3 still stock.
After apr stage1, that's a hesitate from 1st to 2nd in S/D under full throttle launch. It's better in manual mode.

[lcy2004vip]

Hey all

haven't got a conclusion so far on the issue, heading to dealership for 1000km checking this week, will bring this to them see what they say. assuming they will send me away with a "normal for a DSG" as nothing actually breaks down yet, but worth a try.

it happens less often now, it's just wired sometime it's smooth like a baby from 1st to 2nd but sometimes the car jerk like a manual car freshman dumping the clutch, all in manual mode, nothing spotted under D or S at this stage. will keep you guys updated.

my other concern is should i have APR stage1? since my car might potentially has a DSG issue (hope i'm overreacting~), should i better just keep it stock for the sake of warranty? but you never know when it's gonne occur, in that case i may will have to remain stock for the rest while i'm keeping this car,which sucks. Anyone with DSG and stage 1 that is running OK, please enlighten me here. much thanks!

Hi All

Had my Mk7 GTI for over a week now. enjoyed it, a lot! However, I've noticed when i accelerate hard from 1st gear in manual mode, shift in second gear at about 5000-6000rpm, the car jerks like i am shifting a manual car. Then from 2nd to 3rd and 4th are much smooth no jerking at all. The car is all stock, 200km on clock, DCC set in normal most of the time.

Although it is great a DSG has the feeling like shifting a manual car, but i was worrying about it might damage the gearbox. Does anyone else has the similar issue?

[lcy2004vip]

Back from the dealership, no surprise "we couldn't find anything wrong, see you at your first service!!$$$$$". The stall happens between 1st and 2nd gear under manual mode now happens every start-up or the other. I am start to accept the idea of this is normal since this is actually a manual car, but still can't figure why sometime it's so smooth up-shifting from 1st with paddle when i'm expecting a "clutch dumping" feeling. any other gears, no issues at all.

[Tuan]

Do you think you can upload a video for us to see ?

[lcy2004vip]

i will try to get a video, for the dealership too, gonne have to take half day to drive and recording since it doesn't happen all the time.

[flagger]

My 2013 Golf DSG started getting shudder in 2nd gear, either upshifting or downshifting. Took it into Norris VW in Brisbane for diagnosis and will be getting the clutches replaced next week. They also diagnosed the waste gate actuator had excessive play (sounded like the waste gate rattle issue but louder) so they are replacing that as well. 2 day job. All being done under warranty. Pretty happy with Norris VW workshop service.

[gh172]

I have a 110tsi R-Line and have started getting an intermittent thud when taking off in first gear. It first happened only once about a month ago but has now happened 3 times in the lat two days. Is it worth taking it back to the dealer now or should I wait until it starts happening more frequently?

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[Ryeman]

I have a 110tsi R-Line and have started getting an intermittent thud when taking off in first gear. It first happened only once about a month ago but has now happened 3 times in the lat two days. Is it worth taking it back to the dealer now or should I wait until it starts happening more frequently?

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