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The Haldex AWD is quite different to the systems in the Subarus and the A6, which are far more mechanical and apportion drive to the rear full-time. Those will genuinely give you extra stability under engine braking etc - unlike the Haldex system, which really is only on-demand, and only to a limited degree. It's also possible to get momentary front-wheel wheelspin under certain conditions, because just like ESP, the Haldex relies on sensors before it reacts.
There are only so many modifications you'll be able to make to an Allroad for performance - it's certainly never going to get to the point where it'd be a handful for even a relatively inexperienced driver unless you're prepared to make substantial changes. The Octavia is a different story - the 2.0 TSI has room for upwards of 250fwkw on the stock turbo if you're keen - but it'll still remain easily controllable in the wet with a bit of prudence - certainly much, much easier to drive than a big-power ute with no weight over the rear wheels, which can be a real handful.
Also bear in mind that you won't be able to fully disable the ESP in any of these cars. Traction control can be disabled, sure, but you won't get any kind of oversteer shenanigans going with any of these cars, without very creative provocation.
You learn something new everyday. I'm still waiting on Skoda to give me a price on the Skoda with 19inch black pack and towbar, I enjoyed driving the Skoda, I'll wait for then to decide. My heart say's the RS but my brain the Alltrack.
Maybe I should have done some more reading up on the AWD system I just assumed they would be similar.
AWD Haldex Oil expensive? My Tiguan only has it replaced every 60,000kms - not a big issue in maintenance cost as I see it. Also tyre wear is much more even in Tiguan than the two FWD golfs we have.
TIGUAN MY09 103 TDI auto, White,18in Alloys,MDI ,Bk Leather, Comfort Pack, Park Assist, Fog Lights, Sun-roof & Tow Bar / VW roof racks running Goodyear Assymetric 2 Tyres
GOLF 7 MY14.5 Pure White,TDI Bi-Xenon, S/roof,Adaptive CC, DAP, Leather, Pirelli Tyres .
The Haldex AWD is quite different to the systems in the Subarus and the A6, which are far more mechanical and apportion drive to the rear full-time. Those will genuinely give you extra stability under engine braking etc - unlike the Haldex system, which really is only on-demand, and only to a limited degree. It's also possible to get momentary front-wheel wheelspin under certain conditions, because just like ESP, the Haldex relies on sensors before it reacts.
That's interesting. I was under the impression the TF Kuga system was very similar, however Ford apparently updated it from the earlier TE (which I think did use the Haldex system?)
I can get a display up on the instruments which shows the torque division being sent to each wheel. It is actually sending torque to the rear wheels even with no traction loss from the front. Taking off I've even seen more torque to the rear than front wheels. The torque to the rear drops off as speed increases until it appears to switch to FWD only.
I'm still running it in, but have noticed it grips well (with no front end traction loss) when turning on wet bitumen. The same corners would have my FWD Kizashi's traction light flickering and obvious wheel spin.
Admin, please relocate correct thread, otherwise here I go.
Just taken delivery of the new golf alltrack. Thinking of taking it to the snow this winter. Need some advise as to which snow chains would be suitable since seems to be minimal clearance between front tyres and suspension components. Would any 7mm or 9mm chains be okay? or need to get the expensive Thule K-Summit type. Any advise is appreciated.
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Just taken delivery of the new golf alltrack. Thinking of taking it to the snow this winter. Need some advise as to which snow chains would be suitable since seems to be minimal clearance between front tyres and suspension components. Would any 7mm or 9mm chains be okay? or need to get the expensive Thule K-Summit type. Any advise is appreciated.
Cheers,
Vic
I think you'll find a lot is covered in the manual.
In the back of my mind, VW only recomend chains on 205 section tyres.
You might have to buy a set of cheapies or fit some hub spacers.
The best place to ask is one of the UK or Euro based forums. Even have a look at what Skoda Scout owners do.
carandimage The place where Off-Topic is On-Topic I used to think I was anal-retentive until I started getting involved in car forums
Hmmmm.... if thats the case I could be in trouble since my alltrack comes with 225/45/18
Will do more reading before purchase. Thanks
As I said, look on the overseas forums as they deal with this stuff more regularly than here. I've seen some amazing chain solutions on Briskoda.
In the long run, you are probably better to buy a set of 16x6.5 rims and fit them with winter or proper snow tyres - probably 195/60r16. 2nd hand 16" rims are cheap - esp if they have some gutter rash. You'll get the rims for $100-$150. No rash are only $400 with tyres.
16" rims fit over 312mm brakes. If you have 288mm you can go down to 15"
carandimage The place where Off-Topic is On-Topic I used to think I was anal-retentive until I started getting involved in car forums
Hi all, not sure if this is the right thread to raise this. Need some help with my Golf Alltrack tire...
I just gotten my front tire of my Alltrack clipped and required replacement. It's a original R18 tire from VW (Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance). It seems the local shops here doesn't have the same tire available. I tried calling VW but haven't got my reply yet.
I originally thought I could just get some tire of the same specification but my local tire shop was adamant that it has to be identical which he doesn't have the stock. I supposed I like to know if it has to be identical tire or just any similar would do?
Hi all, not sure if this is the right thread to raise this. Need some help with my Golf Alltrack tire...
I just gotten my front tire of my Alltrack clipped and required replacement. It's a original R18 tire from VW (Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance). It seems the local shops here doesn't have the same tire available. I tried calling VW but haven't got my reply yet.
I originally thought I could just get some tire of the same specification but my local tire shop was adamant that it has to be identical which he doesn't have the stock. I supposed I like to know if it has to be identical tire or just any similar would do?
Appreciate some advice... Thanks!
You should run the same tyres with similar wear on the same axle, ideally, all 4 should be the same.
Hi all, not sure if this is the right thread to raise this. Need some help with my Golf Alltrack tire...
I just gotten my front tire of my Alltrack clipped and required replacement. It's a original R18 tire from VW (Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance). It seems the local shops here doesn't have the same tire available. I tried calling VW but haven't got my reply yet.
I originally thought I could just get some tire of the same specification but my local tire shop was adamant that it has to be identical which he doesn't have the stock. I supposed I like to know if it has to be identical tire or just any similar would do?
Appreciate some advice... Thanks!
Legally you can run different brand / pattern tyres providing they are the same construction and size. If you intend to do this, you should put them on the back as it will give slightly more predictable handling.
Best practice is to have matching brand, tread pattern, size, load rating & speed rating on the same axle (and preferably on all 4 corners).
Unfortunately, you'll probably have to buy two tyres (and put them on the back).
Have you contacted Goodyear to see if they can get you a tyre? VW has nothing to do with what the tyre makers bring in.
What size are they?
Do you have a photo of the damage?
carandimage The place where Off-Topic is On-Topic I used to think I was anal-retentive until I started getting involved in car forums
Legally you can run different brand / pattern tyres providing they are the same construction and size. If you intend to do this, you should put them on the back as it will give slightly more predictable handling.
Best practice is to have matching brand, tread pattern, size, load rating & speed rating on the same axle (and preferably on all 4 corners).
Unfortunately, you'll probably have to buy two tyres (and put them on the back).
Have you contacted Goodyear to see if they can get you a tyre? VW has nothing to do with what the tyre makers bring in.
What size are they?
Do you have a photo of the damage?
Hi Brad,
Thanks! I just thought no harm calling VW. Got in touch with a few local shops and Goodyear, they confirmed no stock for the tire. It was "stock" GY Efficientgrip Performance (I am assuming all car of the same specs uses same tire?) 225/45/R18 that came with the lux package. Was quite badly clipped on the inside wall due and I count my lucky star that the rim was relatively unscathed.
Anyway, I finally got a call from VW before the day end and they recommended getting just as you said a pair. Quoted me for Pirelli PZero. As I don't know much about tire, I just gone ahead to arrange that with my local shop. Hopefully VW's recommendation is good.
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