Golf Alltrack

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Yes its great, no problems. We have about 11,000km on it and its just starting to loosen up. Its fully loaded, so its a nice place to be.

How has the real-world fuel economy worked out, Billie?

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After having another look on Saturday at the Alltrack I have decided to get a Skoda Octavia RS Wagon.......Hope it works out

[LunchboxVRS]

After having another look on Saturday at the Alltrack I have decided to get a Skoda Octavia RS Wagon.......Hope it works out

I did the same thing. Arrived and Seen today. Pick it up Saturday. white 19' black, tech, Comfort, sunroof, auto tail.

[Why?]

I did the same thing. Arrived and Seen today. Pick it up Saturday. white 19' black, tech, Comfort, sunroof, auto tail.

All though I said I would never have a dark car again I am going the black with 19" black out pack after seeing one at the dealers, possibly a few other things in it as well, putting off ordering till my daughter actually has her "L's" as so far she has just read the book. Guessing it wont be long but I am going to miss my fire breathing monster so am not in a hurry for it to go. (I recon I have about 2-3 weeks before it goes)

[Alex31]

Hello, I am now looking at buying another VW, I am interested in the golf Alltrack, but it is only available in a petrol engine choice, the Passat Alltrack is a bit on the pricy side for me but it has a Diesel engine,
I will be doing approx 35k Kms a year and fuel efficiency is high on the priority list for me.
Do you recon the golf Alltrack will be available with a diesel option in the near future??


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[alexaescht]

Hello, I am now looking at buying another VW, I am interested in the golf Alltrack, but it is only available in a petrol engine choice, the Passat Alltrack is a bit on the pricy side for me but it has a Diesel engine,
I will be doing approx 35k Kms a year and fuel efficiency is high on the priority list for me.
Do you recon the golf Alltrack will be available with a diesel option in the near future??


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Golf Alltrack won't come here as a diesel because that would hurt Passat Alltrack sales (and VW won't like that). If you want a diesel Golf Alltrack though, check out the Skoda Octavia Scout. It comes in the same 1.8TSI as the Golf Alltrack, as well as a manual 2.0 diesel and a 2.0 diesel with DSG auto.

Alex.

[Alex31]

I have had a look at the Skoda, but it creeps over the $50k mark once you add some options. [emoji53]
Skoda dose not live up to there purpose in the Australian market IMHO
It's meant to be euro quality without the price tag. But it is more expensive than the golf...


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[LunchboxVRS]

I have had a look at the Skoda, but it creeps over the $50k mark once you add some options. [emoji53]
Skoda dose not live up to there purpose in the Australian market IMHO
It's meant to be euro quality without the price tag. But it is more expensive than the golf...


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The all track gets to the $45k mark once optioned up and if there was diesel option it would be getting closer. but it still missing things that the Skoda has. Like 8 inch screen, electric passenger set ect

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Still have not decided.........I like the performance of the Skoda RS but being its for my daughters to learn in I like the security of AWD I drove them both again but still not sure leaning towards the golf again. Got a ripper price today for a 2016 Build Alltrack with towbar and Lux/Sports pack $41800 drive away..........

[AdamD]

Still have not decided.........I like the performance of the Skoda RS but being its for my daughters to learn in I like the security of AWD

I honestly think that the notion of AWD being safer or more secure is a furphy - particularly so when we're talking the Haldex system as used in the Alltrack and other MQB-platform cars. The system is usually 100% FWD and only directs drive rearward (and only a maximum of 50% torque may be sent to the rear) when the system detects front wheelspin. So under braking, or off-throttle the car is 100% FWD.

The traction control system in these cars is also quite quick and effective (and the Octavia RS has the XDS electronic differential lock), so even an extremely ham-fisted driver who decides to floor the throttle, in the wet and with a significant amount of steering lock on, is only going to get a limited amount of understeer before the TC, XDS and ESP rein things in.

The Haldex system is great for getting a quick launch in, or for extra powerdown in the wet when pushing on (particularly in high powered cars). But it doesn't deliver bulk safety benefits. I have a Haldex AWD Audi S3 and my mother drives an Octavia RS wagon; the RS feels every bit as secure in the wet unless you're intentionally being a clown.

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I honestly think that the notion of AWD being safer or more secure is a furphy - particularly so when we're talking the Haldex system as used in the Alltrack and other MQB-platform cars. The system is usually 100% FWD and only directs drive rearward (and only a maximum of 50% torque may be sent to the rear) when the system detects front wheelspin. So under braking, or off-throttle the car is 100% FWD.

The traction control system in these cars is also quite quick and effective (and the Octavia RS has the XDS electronic differential lock), so even an extremely ham-fisted driver who decides to floor the throttle, in the wet and with a significant amount of steering lock on, is only going to get a limited amount of understeer before the TC, XDS and ESP rein things in.

The Haldex system is great for getting a quick launch in, or for extra powerdown in the wet when pushing on (particularly in high powered cars). But it doesn't deliver bulk safety benefits. I have a Haldex AWD Audi S3 and my mother drives an Octavia RS wagon; the RS feels every bit as secure in the wet unless you're intentionally being a clown.

This! Plus, I would have thought it would be good to teach a beginner how to properly control wheel spin, understeer and oversteer in different driving conditions (under supervision of course) rather then just getting them across the line passing the driving exam, but are clueless the moment they get into their own car? Which if budget is an issue, is most likely to be FWD with basic to no electronic driving aids?

Also, there is the extra maintenance cost of the AWD system. Haldex oil is expensive and needs to be replaced fairly often.

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I have owned several STi's and even an old RS Turbo back in the early 90's and an A6 Quattro with the 4.2 V8, I currently drive a 500Plus horsepower VF and I miss having all wheel drive especially in the wet. The Alltrack if i get it will be modified. The Skoda would also be modified. The girls will also be driving my Herrod modified XR6 Ute. They will eventually purchase there own cars and like my son spend the the last 3 or 4 months prior to getting their licences driving them. They won't be just getting across the line.

I for the record hate driving aids and have all of them that I can turned off in my car. I will not be optioning either of the cars with any driving aid options.

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Golf Alltrack

Was not having a go at you. But your post did imply you wanted AWD for extra safety because your girls are learning.

Do you also turn off ESC and Traction control when just driving around? How about ABS? Would you opt not to have it if possible?

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Was not having a go at you. But your post did imply you wanted AWD for extra safety because your girls are learning.

Do you also turn off ESC and Traction control when just driving around? How about ABS? Would you opt not to have it if possible?

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I turn off everything when doing track days, ABS is a pain but great for day to day driving especially for in experienced drivers. ESC I leave on but really not fussed. What I have turned off permanently on my car are the lane departure, forward collision and all the bloody parking sensors. If I'm wanting to just have some fun I put it in track mode (Gives me launch control, limits ESC and firms up steering).

Yes I did imply the for extra safety because the girls are learning and as we live inner city and almost all the roads have tram tracks I think its an advantage in the wet. In the dry there is really no difference.

[AdamD]

I have owned several STi's and even an old RS Turbo back in the early 90's and an A6 Quattro with the 4.2 V8, I currently drive a 500Plus horsepower VF and I miss having all wheel drive especially in the wet. The Alltrack if i get it will be modified. The Skoda would also be modified.

The Haldex AWD is quite different to the systems in the Subarus and the A6, which are far more mechanical and apportion drive to the rear full-time. Those will genuinely give you extra stability under engine braking etc - unlike the Haldex system, which really is only on-demand, and only to a limited degree. It's also possible to get momentary front-wheel wheelspin under certain conditions, because just like ESP, the Haldex relies on sensors before it reacts.

There are only so many modifications you'll be able to make to an Allroad for performance - it's certainly never going to get to the point where it'd be a handful for even a relatively inexperienced driver unless you're prepared to make substantial changes. The Octavia is a different story - the 2.0 TSI has room for upwards of 250fwkw on the stock turbo if you're keen - but it'll still remain easily controllable in the wet with a bit of prudence - certainly much, much easier to drive than a big-power ute with no weight over the rear wheels, which can be a real handful.

Also bear in mind that you won't be able to fully disable the ESP in any of these cars. Traction control can be disabled, sure, but you won't get any kind of oversteer shenanigans going with any of these cars, without very creative provocation.