MK6 -v- MK7 : Golf GTI

[WhiteJames]

Lots of people making the inevitable comparison: Golf 7 R -v- Audi S3 … including the journos at go auto.com.au: Volkswagen Golf R 5-dr hatch - Volkswagen's 206kW Golf R kicks off at $51,990 | GoAuto

Personally … I'd prefer to compare weights:

Tare mass is 1416kg with the six-speed manual or 1435kg with the DSG, which is more than 100kg heavier than the GTI (thanks the AWD system for this). However, the Mk7 Golf’s modular MQB architecture renders this R about 50kg lighter than the old one.

That makes the Golf 7 R DSG about 130 kgs heavier than my base spec Golf 7 GTI Manual Trans … or about 2 x average sized European Males.

WJ

[Dutch77]

That makes the Golf 7 R DSG about 130 kgs heavier than my base spec Golf 7 GTI Manual Trans … or about 2 x average sized European Males.

I've got European lineage on both sides of my family but am missing this 65kg target by over 50%

[WhiteJames]

At the Wheels (HP)

Wonder why the Golf 7 GTI doesn't post any better straight line times down the quarter mile compared to the earlier MK6 Golf GTI? This Auto Guide video alludes to the answer, which I always maintained was the case with the MK6 GTI, that is that the MK6 GTI was making more power & torque than Volkswagen officially quoted ... probably explained why the MK6 Golf R was not that much faster than the GTI:

2013 Subaru BRZ vs. 2013 Volkswagen GTI - YouTube

WJ

[WhiteJames]

GTI: Manual -v- DSG

No explanation as to why the Manual Transmission 7 Golf GTI was faster than the DSG version? Maybe it's the extra weight of the DSG gearbox? Gearing perhaps?

2015 Volkswagen Golf GTI First Test - Motor Trend

WJ

[WhiteJames]

PP GTI -v- R?

Not sure where the Golf 7: GTI -v- R thread vanished too? So I'll post this autocar.co.uk track battle between the Seat Leon Cupra R -v- Golf R here ... lack of weight wins the day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5dRujiHbpA

WJ

[WhiteJames]

Still can't find the other Golf 7: GTI -v- R thread ... so here's a car advice.com.au comparison between the STI -v- Golf R:

Sports car comparison : Subaru WRX STI v Audi S3 v Volkswagen Golf R | CarAdvice

Crap fuel economy for STI compared to the Volkswagen!

WJ

[mfl]

Still can't find the other Golf 7: GTI -v- R thread ... so here's a car advice.com.au comparison between the STI -v- Golf R:

Sports car comparison : Subaru WRX STI v Audi S3 v Volkswagen Golf R | CarAdvice

Crap fuel economy for STI compared to the Volkswagen!

WJ

having just gone through the what shall I buy with the above cars, I have to admit that the fuel consumption never came into the equation.....

[WhiteJames]

Re: Fuel Economy ... Golf R gives you more for less ... now that's has to be a good thing. On that subject ... here's a review from Motor Trend.com showing how lethal the Golf GTI - PP can be around the figure 8 and under emergency braking tests:

Time Bandits: Four Sporty Ways to Cheat the Clock - Motor Trend Page 2

I'm still thinking that the Manual Transmission Golf GTI - PP is the pick of the Golf bunch!

WJ

[rudiger]

I'm still thinking that the Manual Transmission Golf GTI - PP is the pick of the Golf bunch!

WJ

what about the Audi S1?

[WhiteJames]

Don't know much about the Audi S1. Looks to be the goods on paper and most probably a future classic, provided you don't go crazy with aftermarket gear. It weighs about the same as a base spec Golf GTI with a higher centre of gravity due to smaller footprint. Wait for the reviews I guess.

Speaking of Audi:

I had the opportunity to visit the Audi HQ and Museum in Ingolstadt, Germany (just over one hour train ride from Munich). Wow ... great little museum with an opportunity to tour the last hour of vehicle production in the neighbouring factory. The bistro for lunch was also great and reasonably priced. On the concourse, they had all types of Audi's from A1 to R10 with only one omission, the Audi S1.

I compared the Audi S3 which looks a bit aftermarket with extra skirting compared to the regular A3 with S-Line package that looks cleaner and neater imo.

The Audi A6 estate/wagon is really popular in Germany. They say that Audi earns about half of VW-Audi profits these days, and it shows in the quality of their vehicles, factories and museum.

Ingolstadt city is also a nice clean city with some nice platz/pedestrian ways/shops/cafes.

I also visited BMW HQ in Munich and Porsche HQ and Museum in Stuttgart. The Deutches Technical Museum, Munich is still the best for technical stuff of all types.

WJ

[WhiteJames]

Has someone stolen the Golf 7: GTI -v- R thread?

Here's why I drive the base Golf GTI ... it's the lightest. Just like this Audi S3 Sedan that smacks the WRX STI in a straight line ... the Audi is 100 kgs lighter than the STI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mo8QZxJKGw

I see that there is a fella on this forum trading in his damaged Golf 7 R for a Golf GTI PP ... I thought that the firm ride would be taxing after a while in the Golf 7 R. The GTI on the other hand hit the bulls-eye for that balance between comfort & sportiness.

WJ

[andrew7]

^ That fella would be me WJ The proviso being that I will drive them back to back before deciding. I do head to the snow 3-4 weekends a year but AWD for this reason alone might be a stretch in pumping for the R. The R has a pretty well sorted ride but I would like to try the GTI PP for the purported fantastic ride and handling and see if the performance/grunt loss is worth it.

[WhiteJames]

Fair enough. Maybe this video review will aid your decision on which hot hatch?

$40k fun machines video comparison

WJ

[team_v]

^ That fella would be me WJ The proviso being that I will drive them back to back before deciding. I do head to the snow 3-4 weekends a year but AWD for this reason alone might be a stretch in pumping for the R. The R has a pretty well sorted ride but I would like to try the GTI PP for the purported fantastic ride and handling and see if the performance/grunt loss is worth it.

For some reason i thought the Golf R wasn't able to have snow chains fitted due to the larger diameter wheels and bigger brakes.

[SeanThomas]

I bought my gti 6 months ago from the Sutherland dealership as I am also local, and I couldnt agree more the guys there are bunch of wank jobs. I ended up going straight through the dealer principal and he put together a great deal to make up for his sales team lack of effort. Spirro is the only salesman there that was actually helpful. So if anyone is in the local area I suggest seeing spiro at sutherland as the dealer principal has just accepted a nother role with volkswagen in mascot or parramatta i cant remember which one.