Mk7 Golf R Discussion Thread

[team_v]

interesting new.. Golf R +??

Mercedes-Benz’s AMG division might not have the world’s most powerful production four-cylinder engine for very much longer, with Volkswagen promising to topple it by the end of the year.

Sources at Volkswagen have revealed that the manufacturer had already bettered the AMG motor on the test bench and plans to unveil its own 2.0-litre, four-cylinder performance engine by September this year. It had hoped the new motor would be ready to show the Volkswagen faithful at the annual GTI festival at Lake Wörthesee, Austria, in late May, but the project needed more time. VW is apparently aiming for the engine to reach production by late 2015.

The new motor, with a target of around 380 horsepower (283kW), is planned to power the next Scirocco, but sources insist it will fit into any of the VW Group’s growing fleet of MQB-based cars.

Sources also say the new motor is based around Volkswagen’s existing 2.0-litre, four-cylinder block, crankcase, conrods and crankshaft, but has developed its power by a trick new cylinder head and a large-capacity turbocharger. It is said to develop closer to 500Nm of torque as well, and will be mated to an all-wheel drive system and a six-speed dual-clutch transmission capable of managing all of the engine’s torque from first gear. AMG limits the engine’s torque delivery in the first three gears of the A 45, CLA 45 and GLA 45 because of gearbox limitations.

Volkswagen last year poached AMG’s head of engine development, Friedrich Eichler, to manage its engine, transmission and hybrid development. Sources insist Eichler, who developed the 265kW, 450Nm A 45 engine for AMG, has been tasked with delivering a four-cylinder engine that will put his own AMG motor in the shade.

“It’s going to be a very fast car,” one source insisted. “Because it will be able to use all of its torque in first gear, it’s going to get to 100km/h in the very low four-second bracket.

The same sources also revealed there's a turf war in progress, with Audi insisting the new engine should arrive first in the Audi TT and be detuned to avoid outshining its 2.5-litre, turbocharged five-cylinder engine, while Volkswagen’s R performance operation wants to up the new engine’s turbo boost from the current 1.9 bar to deliver even more performance.

“The beauty of it is that it fits the MQB architecture, so it can go in any small car from all the brands,” the source added.

“It’s based on an old generation engine block, so it’s cheaper to make than the AMG motor, too, and a lot less complex. It will move the game on again.”

No way will they end up doing that.
1) it will canibalise sales from the upper end audi's and lower end porsches (i.e. TTRS has the 2.5L 5cyl turbo and doesn't make that much power)
2) the Golf R is already pretty pricey, add in a super engine and you are looking in the 80-90k price range and people will be hesitant to buy it.
3) they talk about low 4 second 0-100 runs but then say they need a big turbo to get the power = big lag.

[Longy]

No way will they end up doing that.
1) it will canibalise sales from the upper end audi's and lower end porsches (i.e. TTRS has the 2.5L 5cyl turbo and doesn't make that much power)
2) the Golf R is already pretty pricey, add in a super engine and you are looking in the 80-90k price range and people will be hesitant to buy it.
3) they talk about low 4 second 0-100 runs but then say they need a big turbo to get the power = big lag.

Isn't a RS3 coming out towards the end of this year? So it would make perfect sense if they stick that engine in it.

[Ryan_R]

I would've thought a Golf R+ was the estate/station wagon version
(For when you need a little more Golf R)


^Normal Golf Plus/Variant/Wagon

[team_v]

Isn't a RS3 coming out towards the end of this year? So it would make perfect sense if they stick that engine in it.

From what i read the RS3 wasn't going to be released here and even if it does, it still won't have that much power using the TTRS's 5cyl turbo.

Porsche were talking about bringing out a 4cyl boxter/cayman next model so it may be integrated into that.

[samps]

No way will they end up doing that.
1) it will canibalise sales from the upper end audi's and lower end porsches (i.e. TTRS has the 2.5L 5cyl turbo and doesn't make that much power)
2) the Golf R is already pretty pricey, add in a super engine and you are looking in the 80-90k price range and people will be hesitant to buy it.
3) they talk about low 4 second 0-100 runs but then say they need a big turbo to get the power = big lag.

So to be so disagreeable on all points...

1. You'll find that people with money for a Porsche or TTRS will pay the money to have the "superior" badge on their car.

2. 30-40k extra for similar power to APR stage 3? I doubt it.

3. Minimal lag in the AMG A45, nothing stopping VW from also utilising a variable vane turbo and fitting a larger intercooler. So long as they make it handle properly and get rid of the understeer.

[team_v]

So to be so disagreeable on all points...

1. You'll find that people with money for a Porsche or TTRS will pay the money to have the "superior" badge on their car.

2. 30-40k extra for similar power to APR stage 3? I doubt it.

3. Minimal lag in the AMG A45, nothing stopping VW from also utilising a variable vane turbo and fitting a larger intercooler. So long as they make it handle properly and get rid of the understeer.

1) the A45 is $75k, if VW are going to go above and beyond the spec of the A45 it is going to cost around 80-90k which is serious money for a VW so potential buyers will look elsewhere.

2) 30-40k extra for a factory warranted equivalent APR Stage 3 (if it ever gets built/released in australia which is wont)

3) The A45 does it's 0-100 in 4.7 seconds so i doubt we can see a 4 second 0-100 in vw factory trim.

[jrgti]

Already have some stats on the nurburgring lap time for the Golf R 7 -
Nordschleife lap records - FastestLaps.com
8:14

[Ideo]

Already have some stats on the nurburgring lap time for the Golf R 7 -
Nordschleife lap records - FastestLaps.com
8:14

So nearly 7 seconds a lap slower than a Renault Megane?

That is disappointing.

[elephino]

1) the A45 is $75k, if VW are going to go above and beyond the spec of the A45 it is going to cost around 80-90k which is serious money for a VW so potential buyers will look elsewhere.

Considering the GTI is thousands of dollars cheaper than the A250, I'd expect an A45 equivalent Golf to be similarly cheaper - let's call it a $70k car, not 80-90.

[elephino]

So nearly 7 seconds a lap slower than a Renault Megane?

That is disappointing.

9s quicker than the Mk6 R
1s quicker than a BMW 1M Coupe
And the same pace as a 10 year old Porsche 911.

Not exactly hanging around

[team_v]

Considering the GTI is thousands of dollars cheaper than the A250, I'd expect an A45 equivalent Golf to be similarly cheaper - let's call it a $70k car, not 80-90.

The GTI competes with the A250, and the R competes with the A45.
Accordingly a Super Golf R would need to be priced even higher or on par with the A45 at 75k minimum.

But it doesn't matter as it won't get built or released here anyway.

[sekas]

But the VW interior will keep the price down compared to the A45 AMG so I would expect it to be the same if not cheaper


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[DoggieHowser]

The GTI competes with the A250, and the R competes with the A45.
Accordingly a Super Golf R would need to be priced even higher or on par with the A45 at 75k minimum.

But it doesn't matter as it won't get built or released here anyway.

Golf R is cheaper than the A45 no?

[team_v]

Golf R is cheaper than the A45 no?

Yes, that is my point.
Current R competes against the A45 so if we have a Super R it will be more expensive again.

[sekas]

Mk7 Golf R Discussion Thread

Yes, that is my point.
Current R competes against the A45 so if we have a Super R it will be more expensive again.

Current R competes with the sti, evo's ect
The 135i (not so much) and a45 amg are in another league at the moment until the mk7 R is released but even then the amg is still by itself IMO


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