Lack of horn without ignition??

[hooba]

I had just finished parking in a 45 degree rear to kerb spot on Saturday night and whilst I was getting my things another car comes along and starts to park in the spot right next to me.

This guy has no idea on how to park, slams it into reverse and his rear bumper is heading straight towards my passenger side rear door. Eeek.

Instinctively I hit the horn and nothing. Luckily the guy managed to stop just in time with cms to spare, and then proceeded to line up the parking space properly.

Why does VW persist on killing all power to the steering wheel functions unless the ignition is on? I'm genuinely interested to hear the reasoning behind this if anybody knows why.

[pologti18t]

I had just finished parking in a 45 degree rear to kerb spot on Saturday night and whilst I was getting my things another car comes along and starts to park in the spot right next to me.

This guy has no idea on how to park, slams it into reverse and his rear bumper is heading straight towards my passenger side rear door. Eeek.

Instinctively I hit the horn and nothing. Luckily the guy managed to stop just in time with cms to spare, and then proceeded to line up the parking space properly.

Why does VW persist on killing all power to the steering wheel functions unless the ignition is on? I'm genuinely interested to hear the reasoning behind this if anybody knows why.

Isn't that the case with most modern cars?

[rs73]

most japanese cars i think would still sound the horn... not sure most late generation ones, my last japanese car was 2003 make.

and not sure compared to other euros other than late VWs...

[AdamD]

most japanese cars i think would still sound the horn...

My Accord Euro ('05) allowed the horn to operate at all times. The radio buttons would also work whenever the radio was on - unlike in the Golf. Very annoying operation in the VW IMO.

[mfl]

In my ex-2008 Subaru, you could sound the horn anytime.

Similar thing happened to me, while waiting for my wife. a guy reverse parking kept coming with no intention of stopping.

amazing how quickly you can turn the ignition on and blow the horn, when you have to.

but slightly annoying.

[Jasonpb]

07 honda accord euro the horn worked when the ignition was off.

[Umai Naa!!]

Could a simple "OI!" have sufficed?

Ford Falcon brake lights don't work with the key out, if that helps...

[hooba]

Could a simple "OI!" have sufficed?

Ford Falcon brake lights don't work with the key out, if that helps...

Did want to scare the kids.

Ok, so it looks like nobody can think of good reason why you'd design a car so that the horn doesn't work when the ignition is turned off. I'm stumped.

[rs73]

hm, I can have a look around VCDS settings to see if anything in there that could be programmable to allow horn to work at all times....
after all if I can change my comfort lane change indicator from 3 blinks to 4 (max is 5) then perhaps there is a setting for horn but i could be wrong...

[Ryan_R]

I thought horns were supposed to work even without a key inserted. The only "reason" I can think of is accidental beeps caused by bumping the wheel or when using those Club steering locks.

The lack of multimedia controls when I stop the car annoys me as well - but you have shown a more important issue I guess. I sometimes turn the ignition back on, which turns the lights back on (I could manually turn the lights off, I know).

When I get my car serviced (15,000) I'll ask VW about it and hopefully there's a semi-easy fix.

[pologti18t]

The lack of multimedia controls when I stop the car annoys me as well - but you have shown a more important issue I guess. I sometimes turn the ignition back on, which turns the lights back on (I could manually turn the lights off, I know).

And what japanese car allows you to use the radio when the ignition is off?

Similar to cars not allowing the headlights to work when the ignition is off or the brake lights.

[Ryan_R]

Handy feature for some (more or less for passengers I'm guessing), not one I've needed as of yet.

I'm a bit of a James May when it comes to keeping the volume knob facing the right way up

[Danny]

We have had/have
FPV Fords
XR Fords
Astra Sri Turbo
Clio Renaultsport 182 cup
Honda Civic R
BMW X5

A wide range of vehicles from different ilks, and they all seem to toot the horn with key/fob out. Whoever said fords brake lights dont work when the key is out - correct.

Strange why VeeDub would omit this function... Id find that annoying tbh.

[Darren]

We have had/have
FPV Fords
XR Fords
Astra Sri Turbo
Clio Renaultsport 182 cup
Honda Civic R
BMW X5

A wide range of vehicles from different ilks, and they all seem to toot the horn with key/fob out. Whoever said fords brake lights dont work when the key is out - correct.

Strange why VeeDub would omit this function... Id find that annoying tbh.

Your right.....I never noticed it...

'No key - No horn' very frustrating. Especially if your parked and you slowly watch an idiot back into you, your'e helpless and it's slo-mo

[mikinoz]

My MK1 has the same feature - so did my 69 Kombi, so go figure.