Golf R vs WRX vs Evo vs Megane RS250

[First VW]

Gents,

I know this is a bit out of the blue but I am interested in knowing what other people think of the above comparison? I read the comparison between Golf R vs RS250 vs Focus RS and its really interesting on the outcome.

Cheers.

[G-rig]

Golf R is the best.

[team_v]

The thing is, a Golf R isn't a pure track machine.
It's just a glorified AWD daily and as such will never be on par with a proper track spec'd RS250 or Evo 10 etc.
You lose all of the tracky feel and gain creature comforts like sat nav, leather seats, xenon lights, airbags and have a 4Mo AWD system that isn't as effective as a full time AWD system.

[Corey_R]

It completely comes down to your requirements.

All rounder? The Golf R hands down.
If you have specific requirements such as a track day car, or a need to draw attention to yourself via boy-racer-look body kits, or having a car which "full-sic-doof-doof-car-stereo installers" are already intimately knowledgable with so you can install your 5000kW stereo in, then one of the other three is possibly better suited

[G-rig]

The OP was fairly vague and so was I..

Different goals and different markets.

Depends if you want to look like a boy racer or have an awesome all rounder.

[REXman]

Well coming from owning very quick Jap cars to a quickish German car.. I still say the R. No question in my mind. Thats why Im here.

I consider many things when buying a car. Exterior, Interior, Performance, Brand and Image for example. My needs for sheer quality and refinement have outweighed my needs for sheer speed. I mean you couldnt take the Megan RS anywhere and be taken seriously. Doesnt that have a roll cage standard?

A lot of my past cars have had Strut tower braces, big turbo's/TMIC and FMIC's and did high 11 and 12's by the time I was finished with them. But you see, you can get a datsun 180 whack in an SR20DET in it and that will smash the lot.

Gimme enough straight line mumbo, whack a smile on my face while doing the deed, and build it like its going to be used for shelter in WWIII.

R baby all the way.

When I was a bit younger I couldnt see why you would want an M3 over a heavily done up skyline, or a WRX thats worked with $10K on it.. Or because a 200SX with $10K spent on it will pull a mid 12 easily. And sound mighty raw doing so.

But you actually drive an M3, and feel the WAY that it does a 13 flat quarter.. its different.

Its a different set of cars mentioned here but the idea is still very similar, as mentioned by others above.

Some people talk about the track.. sorry but other than some quarter mile runs, I wouldnt use my only car to race on a track.

If I had that sort of coin, Id get a Carrera 4S or an ELISE as my track car and be done with it in fantasy land.

But some people might very well be hardcore tracksters, in which case these cars would be completely stripped out etc.. different story again.

[REXman]

PS is the Ralliart and WRX in the RS250's competition, or is it in the EVO, STI and R market??

[REXman]

The thing is, a Golf R isn't a pure track machine.
It's just a glorified AWD daily and as such will never be on par with a proper track spec'd RS250 or Evo 10 etc.
You lose all of the tracky feel and gain creature comforts like sat nav, leather seats, xenon lights, airbags and have a 4Mo AWD system that isn't as effective as a full time AWD system.

a) No need to bag the R cause you own a tiguan.

b) The 4WD in the R is actually very good.

[team_v]

a) No need to bag the R cause you own a tiguan.

b) The 4WD in the R is actually very good.

How about realising that your golf isn't the "be all and end all" and stop trying to stir ***** in every thread.
It's just a normal Golf with AWD and all the trimmings that you can get on the lower models.

Note how nowhere did i say that the Tiguan was better yet you still jumped to that conclusion.


If the 4Mo system in the R was so good, then why would APR have a solution to fix the issues with it?

[G-rig]

How about realising that your golf isn't the "be all and end all" and stop trying to stir ***** in every thread.
It's just a normal Golf with AWD and all the trimmings that you can get on the lower models.

Note how nowhere did i say that the Tiguan was better yet you still jumped to that conclusion.


If the 4Mo system in the R was so good, then why would APR have a solution to fix the issues with it?

What fix and what issues? The R comes with Haldex Gen 4 which is the best out there. You can't get AWD on the lower models so it's a bit unique that way.

Pretty good overall package and i'd prefer one to an Evo or Megane considering all things.

[team_v]

What fix and what issues? The R comes with Haldex Gen 4 which is the best out there. You can't get AWD on the lower models so it's a bit unique that way.

Pretty good overall package and i'd prefer one to an Evo or Megane considering all things.

It fixes the power delivery and transfer with the Haldex switch.
To clarify, yes it does have AWD which set's it apart from the normal golf range but it will almost never get used to it's potential.
Hell i couldn't even get the Mk6 GTI to loose control at the driver training day.

It is a good overall package but it isn't "the greatest car ever made" which most new Golf R owners tend to believe (especailly one in particular)

I would probably prefer one over the renault and jap cars as well but i would get a GTI over the R purely becasue there is no need unless you are going to track in, in which case you get a lotus or an MX5.

[G-rig]

I think youll find the switch is for the older Gen 2 controller. The new Gen 4 haldex can shift as much as 100% power to the rear wheels in certain circumstances.

Anyway I agree the GTI is fine for around town and may not get the most out of the R unless you are on the track.

[simonm]

Anyway I agree the GTI is fine for around town and may not get the most out of the R unless you are on the track.

Or you live in wet/icy climates, travel to the snow, use dirt/gravel country roads etc. where AWD gives you a genuine advantage.

[team_v]

I think youll find the switch is for the older Gen 2 controller. The new Gen 4 haldex can shift as much as 100% power to the rear wheels in certain circumstances.

Anyway I agree the GTI is fine for around town and may not get the most out of the R unless you are on the track.

The Gen 4 can shift 100% to the rear's but you cannot control how it does so on a stock R.
I believe the remote control (which works on Gen 4 Haldex unit's) is in place to allow you to specify the power split ratio but am happy to be proven wrong.

see here: http://www.goapr.com.au/products/Info_gen4.pdf

Or you live in wet/icy climates, travel to the snow, use dirt/gravel country roads etc. where AWD gives you a genuine advantage.

Generally there are no VW dealers in Australian locations with those conditions though.
And if you are in those conditions you won't be using the 188kw to it's potential anyway.

[G-rig]

Gen 4 > Gen 2. But perhaps Guy could chime in.

You can't fit the switch to Gen 4 can you?