DSG Sports mode issue

[ConR]

I was told 'enitre transmission' during the phone conversation I had with the service guys. Im a little worried, might ask some questions when I pick the vehicle up this afternoon.

I shall report back with any further developments...

-Skitz

That sucks man, sorry to hear. Think it could be good or bad...good in that you are getting a brand new transmission....bad in that you hope the dealer knows what they're doing =)

[shaq]

Just got news from VW service centre, they wouldnt tell me the exact problem but they are going to replace the entire DSG transmission. I'm not sure whether I should be sad or happy.

Sigh, booked in again for next friday....4th visit to VW in 2 months.

-Skitz

Replace the ENTIRE Gearbox.. oh wow.. it sounds like a problem thats more serious.. let us know on the exact reasons why?? Wow!

[REXman]

I have the same problem with my S mode as well, but due to work and other things, i havent had the chance to get it checked out. But i will be getting it checked out this week, and i will post the results.

- Azngti

Wow man, sounds like you better make time sooner than latter.

[Skitz]

Ok I had a chat with the service assistant looking after my car, he couldnt (or wouldn't) go into much detail about the exact issue. The short version was that the DSG system is a sealed / 'non-servicable' component by dealers and it was given the go ahead to replace the entire gearbox and mechatronics. This is the first occurrence of this issue at the Gold Coast VW but was told it could potentially be a bad batch of DSGs hence the replacement. The service assistant suggested that it could be a known issue to VW Australia thus the willingness to replace the entire unit.

I would advise anyone with a DSG box in a Mk6 to give it a good run in S-mode while it's still in warranty. The gearbox and mechatronics unit is a $14,000 replacement not including labour. I don't want to be an alarmist but the only reason I suspected a problem with the DSG in the first place was because of a forum post.

thanks

[Corey_R]

Thanks for the update Skitz. You've got a 118TSI right?
The mechatronics on the DSGs (both 6 and 7) is sealed and therefore entirely replaced. But at least on the 6sp DSG the actual "gearbox" section isn't a sealed unit. I don't have the service manual for the 7sp, and I know that VW worked a lot to make this less complex and cheaper to maintain and build, so maybe the 7sp is sealed.

As for the gearbox and mechatronics being a $14k replacement. That figure was thrown around several years ago when the MKV GTI first came out and was for the 6sp version. I would be extremely surprised if 5 years later, for the 7sp version, that it's still that figure (any dealers able to confirm or deny this?)

[Skitz]

Thanks for the update Skitz. You've got a 118TSI right?
The mechatronics on the DSGs (both 6 and 7) is sealed and therefore entirely replaced. But at least on the 6sp DSG the actual "gearbox" section isn't a sealed unit. I don't have the service manual for the 7sp, and I know that VW worked a lot to make this less complex and cheaper to maintain and build, so maybe the 7sp is sealed.

As for the gearbox and mechatronics being a $14k replacement. That figure was thrown around several years ago when the MKV GTI first came out and was for the 6sp version. I would be extremely surprised if 5 years later, for the 7sp version, that it's still that figure (any dealers able to confirm or deny this?)

hey mate, I'm in a Mk6 GTI. The service assistant told me that my 6sp DSG was a sealed unit and quote 'not service-able by any dealer'. I'm not sure if what he was telling me was correct but you seem to have a much greater understanding of the vehicle than myself. Regarding the replacement cost, again it was something that came out of his mouth.

[Corey_R]

Yeah fair enough... even though it could be opened up, they're pretty sensitive that it's usually best not to. Plus, the more that even up back at VW Germany untouched, the better. Will help them improve the design for future gearboxes.

[Skitz]

Yeah fair enough... even though it could be opened up, they're pretty sensitive that it's usually best not to. Plus, the more that even up back at VW Germany untouched, the better. Will help them improve the design for future gearboxes.

Agreed, I'm booked in for friday 16th for the replacement. I will keep the thread up to date on developments.

Side note, drove the 103kw diesel Transporter with DSG as my loan car yesterday and I was quite suprised how well it went for a van. As part of my job I get to drive quite a few new cars and the Transporter was nicer to drive than some passenger vehicles I've been in lately. Just thought that was interesting

[Corey_R]

Well, the 103kw diesel would have the same DSG as in the GTI! hehe

[Skitz]

Well, the 103kw diesel would have the same DSG as in the GTI! hehe

I think it was a 7sp in the transporter....I didn't have a chance to go fast enough for it to get out of 5th I showed a toyota hiace who was boss up a hill on the way to work.....

[Corey_R]

Hmmm - I just looked up on carsales and you're right, it is a 7sp... so there you go, 340NM from a gearbox which apparently is only spec'd for 250NM I wonder whether Volkswagen have changed anything in it, like the clutches etc?

[Skitz]

Interesting, maybe ze germans are telling lies...haha. Even more interesting, the top of the range van has 132kw/400mn using the same 7sp gearbox. Lies I tell you.

[Corey_R]

Hmmm - maybe it's a completey different gearbox than the 7sp in the Golf then!

[AdamD]

Hmmm - maybe it's a completey different gearbox than the 7sp in the Golf then!

Audi has a 7 speed DSG capable of handling big torque loads, designed for longitudinally mounted engines; here's a link:

The new Audi S tronic 7-speed gearbox

Could it be that? A transporter is RWD or 4WD I believe, and vans usually have longitudinally mounted engines.

[Brian]

Hmmm - I just looked up on carsales and you're right, it is a 7sp... so there you go, 340NM from a gearbox which apparently is only spec'd for 250NM I wonder whether Volkswagen have changed anything in it, like the clutches etc?

This is good news for me as I've delayed getting the APR stage 1 (worried about the torque increase well above 250Nm)
I now feel reasonably confident that the 7 speed DSG can handle the increased torque (on occasions).
Combined with the feedback from other TSI owners that have had the ECU flash and have reported no probs with the DSG, then Im happy to "have a go"
Brian