DSG: Problems, Questions, Likes and Dislikes

[pogo_55]

Mate,

You can floor it in 3rd or 4th at 2/3K rpm in a manual and nothing bad happens. It may not accelerate as quickly as it would if you had changed down, but that is/should be my choice.

To stop idiots damaging the drivetrain perhaps

If you think you know better, drop it up a gear with the paddles

[Candyman]

Buy a manual then

[pogo_55]

So what the **** is the manual mode for in the dsg?

Buy a manual then

[Candyman]

If you haven't figured that out, buy a manual

[Blitzen]

Wow... I come to this thread to cheer me up after a **** day, and to read some of the rocket scientist like remarks. it never fails to give me a laugh!!
There are some awesome threads in the Mk6 section like 'time to first damage', but this one is like watching question time on ABC!!

[Candyman]

I was being a smart arse

Has been that kind of day

[Corey_R]

Think I must be missing something, or my car is faulty..... I have a my11 golf gti and the "manual" mode is anything but manual. If you stick it in 3rd or 4th between 2 to 3K rpm and floor it, what happens? Mine thinks to itself, this guy is nuts, I know better, lets select second, and of it goes. In my case it seems more like a "I would prefer" mode than anything like a manual. This is a shame cause my wife wanted an automatic and I wanted a manual. She seems to have done ok, but I am definetly not happy. Having said that it is a very good automatic, but the way I read other member's comments I expected a proper manual transmission with an automatic clutch.

You could start by reading your (owners) manual.
If you "floor" it, you're pressing a button under the accelerator called the kick-down button. It's there for the sole purpose of telling the car to change down a gear (or two). If you don't floor it, and instead must push the pedal to the 100% position (there will be resistance there. practise when the car is off if you don't know what I'm talking about), then the car will start in the gear you selected.

[pogo_55]

Corey, I think the "kick down button" suggests auto mode. Well it doesn't suggest it IS auto mode.
We are talking about the manual (read, I'll think about it and if you are in a gear I like I won't change it) mode..... PANTS.

[VW Convert]

Corey, I think the "kick down button" suggests auto mode. Well it doesn't suggest it IS auto mode.
We are talking about the manual (read, I'll think about it and if you are in a gear I like I won't change it) mode..... PANTS.

Kick down button overrrides manual mode. You get 100% throttle before activating the kickdown button so all you have to do is not stand on the pedal.

[Ryan41]

The last couple of pages of this thread have been an interesting read..at the end of the day does it really matter what transmission you drive? i mean honestly.. its still the same bloody car! I ended up getting manual.. why? well i "personally" felt that whilst paddles is the closest thing to F1 racing i'd ever get, i would hate not having a third paddle and the fact I was already way out of my price range spending 52k on a car I didnt want any more expense...I probably should have got dsg because the girlfriend sucks at driving the R at the moment but hopefully she gets used to it! haha.. I test drove the DSG GTI and honestly I loved it.. the way it popped and farted in gear changes and the way you pick up speed so easy was awesome.. I drove it very enthusiastically and it made me wonder how long the gearbox would last if I drove it like that every day and would VW come up with an excuse to not warrant it because it has been "thrashed"..

anyhow, the way I see it at the end of the day..you dont see Evo X owners or heck even commodore owners bitching over what transmission they chose, so why are VW owners so passionate behind their own personal choices?! at the end of the day we all own awesome GTI's or R's or whatever golf we have so having a pull on the internet over DSG or Manual is pretty pathetic.

I got a Candy white car... is it **** because I didnt get rising blue? i mean come on, some of you guys would be mid 30's early 40's, so why dont we all have a big hug and enjoy whatever car we own! your all meant to be car enthusiast..

[SMOK3Y]

good post Ryan41

[wai]

So what the **** is the manual mode for in the dsg?

I suppose because it is not technically a manual mode. It is a mode where you can select gears manually but (the important but) with controller override to prevent damage or loss of drivability should the driver select the incorrect gear and, from all the parameters, expect a level of performance that the controller believes requires a different gear based on its programming.

Manufacturers have to do this to prevent claims against it and to protect the driver from him/herself. It is one thing if you select the wrong gear in a full manual gearbox. You selected it and it is your fault because it is a direct mechanical linkage between the selector and the gearbox.

The situation with a DGS type gearbox is that the gearbox is controlled by "software". There is no direct linkage between the selector and the gearbox. In a DGS, the selector merely sends a request for a particular gear should all other parameters be acceptable. If they are not, then programming takes over.

This is why others have said that if you want a manual where you are in total control no matter what, then you need to choose a manual.

[Capercat]

So what the **** is the manual mode for in the dsg?

Haha I couldn't stop laughing. It's to sucker husbands into buying a compromise to keep the wife happy, works a treat!

[Capercat]

The situation with a DGS type gearbox is that the gearbox is controlled by "software". There is no direct linkage between the selector and the gearbox. In a DGS, the selector merely sends a request for a particular gear should all other parameters be acceptable. If they are not, then programming takes over.

This is why others have said that if you want a manual where you are in total control no matter what, then you need to choose a manual.

Well said wai

[Corey_R]

This thread is just getting out of control. Everyone coming in with their "opinions", which whilst they might be valid opinion for them, when you start applying it to answering other peoples questions/problems, it's not helpful.

wai, your post is incorrect. It IS a manual mode. If the user decides to not read his manual, and not take the advice of the people who have read their manuals, then it's his/her problem when they cannot drive it properly.
If you select M it will keep the gear that you want, with 3 noteable exceptions:
1) The revs drop so low that the car would stall, so the mechatronics shifts down for you.
2) The revs go too far into the redline, so the mechatronics shifts up for you
3) You push your foot past the 100% throttle resistence point and you press the kick-down switch and the car will shift down a gear or two.


Can we please keep the pointless DSG vs Traditional Manual argument out of this thread please.