DSG: Problems, Questions, Likes and Dislikes

[CrimDub]

Obviously it has to protect the clutch and gears else they would be dead in a few months.

Funny you should say that, had my 118tsi 7 sp dsg wagon for about a year, done 40k kms. Little while ago it started to shudder when changing from 1st to 2nd in D mode. Tried a few things, like drive in manual and S for a bit, and the, push the accelerator peddle down for 15 seconds or what eva thing to see If I could teach it not to short shift into second as that is what the problem felt like. , both seemed to help for a very small while. So finally took it to the dealership to get my one free windscreen under insurance for the year ( mine had plenty of chips and a crack) got them to have a look while it was there thinking it would be minor.... Apparently both clutches are gone and need replacing!! Is that strange or normal for a dsg box that has done only 40k kms and a year old?!

Anyway waiting for them to order parts and in she goes again...

[JPanDAX]

DSG clunk

Has any one with a DSG noticed an occasional real clunk or thump when accelerating in first and then changing into second in manual mode? It is just when the change occurs but doesn't always happen. I am only revving to 4k at moment so that is all it needs. ?? It doesn't sound or feel like a normal or good thing!

Is this normal. I only have 800ks on the odo.

Thanks

JP

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[Dynamic Locks]

Funny you should say that, had my 118tsi 7 sp dsg wagon for about a year, done 40k kms. Little while ago it started to shudder when changing from 1st to 2nd in D mode. Tried a few things, like drive in manual and S for a bit, and the, push the accelerator peddle down for 15 seconds or what eva thing to see If I could teach it not to short shift into second as that is what the problem felt like. , both seemed to help for a very small while. So finally took it to the dealership to get my one free windscreen under insurance for the year ( mine had plenty of chips and a crack) got them to have a look while it was there thinking it would be minor.... Apparently both clutches are gone and need replacing!! Is that strange or normal for a dsg box that has done only 40k kms and a year old?!

Anyway waiting for them to order parts and in she goes again...

I have a Caddy with DSG that I brought brand new 2010....from day one I complained about shuddering in the gearbox and clunkiness.....Went in 4 times including one time they had it for a week but said there is nothing wrong with it..
Now with 32,000km on the clock its shudders so bad the whole vehicle shakes....
Went in today to take a service guy for a drive and he said oh yeah thats not right......haliyoola...
Booked in for 2 days next week for a look see...
After that it will need to rebooked a few times to see if they VW will except its no good...
Then maybe they will replace the clutch packs or gear box...i really hope its the transmission they replace

Glad it may be finally getting fixed however not happy about been without my one and only work vehicle and as I work for myself
I am stuffed...

Dazz

[hentaiboy]

Had my 118tsi 7 sp dsg wagon for about a year, done 40k kms. Little while ago it started to shudder when changing from 1st to 2nd in D mode...apparently both clutches are gone and need replacing!! Is that strange or normal for a dsg box that has done only 40k kms and a year old?!

Anyway waiting for them to order parts and in she goes again...

I've just bought a 118TSI with 38k's and experiencing something like this when moving off at very low throttle openings. Not exactly a 'shudder' but definitely feels like clutch slip. Is a certain amount of 'slippage' normal or is it a precursor to a DSG rebuild...?

[davidno64]

I know this is the MK6 section and not the MK5 section.
Mine being a MK5 tdi Gt DSG. Great car, gearbox, etc.
But it has its problems and VW know it (well at least the dealer)
I love the DSG, but comparitivly a little noisy. Definatly expensive but still great. reliability, so far so good. But there
are issues!
Roughness at times, inconsistant gear change, etc. But the worst thing for me, an issue Ive complained about
for some time. Usally at roundabouts. Put your foot down, for a fast take off and nothing (not reliably anyway).
Well but for a big delay and low power and no acceleration. DANGEROUS And it will happen at the most inopertune
time. Bugger, that was close!!!
The dealer said this is normal and one of the things you have to live with. Its an issue of, if your moving even slightly,
then the car picks up second gear immidiatly and has no power for take off. Great fun, in crawling traffic.

Recently and arround the time of getting the car serviced. DSG seems very smoooth and exelent in operation.
Great, now comming home from Basket Ball. Stationary traffic, traffic lights and waiting to turn right.
Car in front part way through intersection, and my turn.
Put down the foot and expect to accelerate through the lights. No nothing, just crawled through the lights
and poof a big flash. F@*#ing red light camera.
Yep got booked! and I should have had pleanty of time to get through.
Potentially if unaware these could be faital but most definatly dangerous to the state of your wallet and licence
These boxes seem to have quite a few bugs with them. And to VW's priority, well?????????

[CrimDub]

I've just bought a 118TSI with 38k's and experiencing something like this when moving off at very low throttle openings. Not exactly a 'shudder' but definitely feels like clutch slip. Is a certain amount of 'slippage' normal or is it a precursor to a DSG rebuild...?

Mine started like that as well, eventually it turned to a shudder.... Now it has been replaced the difference is amazing! Must have been worse than I thought and been going on for longer than I thought because now the power to the wheels has that wow factor again. Oh how I missed you

[dasrattles]

while i've never really experienced lack of power when moving off before ( i dont usually floor it so....) one of the mechs told me that the DSG adapts its gearshifts according to how the driver drives it. eg, if you're in start-stop traffic and get on the freeway, the box will get a little sluggish. theres tons of stuff they dont tell you about the DSG, i heard one where if you're going down hill and step on the brakes while turning at a certain angle and doing something else (i cant quite remember, it works like a game boy cheat. A B B up down), it causes the DSG to go insane and stall the engine. again, no i know has experienced this, just the mech at the vw workshop telling me what he has encountered.

only thing i noticed is that its gotten smoother, hesitation has decreased significantly and whatever shudder i had initially is gone. i got just over 5000km on it.

[JPanDAX]

Well that may be a good thing to hear if it gets smoother as it beds in. I'm only at 1300ks will wait and see what changes, but I really have no complaints about DSG and it does seem to learn your driving style I have noticed.


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[easeup]

I have decided that my DSG likes to go fast. No matter how much i think i've mastered the finicky accelerator pedal progression with my accurate right foot, the car continues to surprise me by selecting second early in the rev range (in either mode) at only 1/4 depression of the pedal. It's so smooth that it surprises you. "I think i might just nip into that gaAAARGH". Less than two seconds later you're in third and the turbo kicks in. Mental, but not really a complaint.. it's fun.

I also agree that Sport mode holds third gear for an insane amount of time. I usually use the paddle shifter just to shut it up.

However, these observations aside, i really like both D and S mappings- they're very clear cut distinctions. In my last car (Subaru), Sport mode did nothing. In the Golf, they could be renamed- N and W. Nanna mode and Webber mode.

My final comment... my God, the noise. I love the noise, i'll never get over it- especially from second up to third/fourth in S mode... "whiiiiine burp whiiiiiine burp".

[Alok]

I recently bought a 09 model 90tsi (40,000km) and am experiencing the same shudder between the 1-2 gear shift. If it is indeed the clutch that needs replacing, will warranty cover this? I will get it checked out when I get the 45,000km service done.

[xordis]

If it had 4,000km on it, you might have grounds for getting it covered under warranty, but 40,000 I see as normal wear and tear.
It's like turning up and asking for a new set of tyres cause they wore out.

[Idle]

If it had 4,000km on it, you might have grounds for getting it covered under warranty, but 40,000 I see as normal wear and tear.
It's like turning up and asking for a new set of tyres cause they wore out.

Hey, this is a DSG (VW's current equivalent to a slushbox) — it should get at least the same mileage or better, otherwise why change?

If the clutch (or any other major part) in mine was packing it in at 40,000K (24000 miles) I'd make them eat it!

For a great part of my working life I drove manuals on door-to-door work and got up to 100,000K out of clutches (and tyres...) and my last auto (admittedly a Toyota slushbox) had 160,000K on it when sold, had been serviced (filters etc) once, fluid changed twice and still worked perfectly.

Its original tyres were changed at 92000 (still had reasonable tread, but were much too old — an ongoing problem for retirees), front pads at the same time and rear pads at 105000 and all were still very roadworthy when the car was sold.

I don't bash vehicles, but I don't baby them either — and I do check the routine items regularly.

If clutches, tyres or anything else wear out at or below 40,000 then either there's something that needs fixing or you're a pretty rough driver.

Speaking of which, I recall employing a driver some 45 years ago who wore out tyres, brakes and clutch on a brand-new van in less than 12000 miles — then one day I was standing in front of the factory when he came round the corner 100 yards away. Not only could I hear the tyres protesting, I could see daylight under the inside front wheel (beam axle, BTW). He got moved on that same week...

Also recall scrounging the spares out of three vans and and heading to the other side of Melbourne to rescue a driver with four flats — turned out he'd made a U-turn over the median strip and bent all 4 rims on a sharp kerb.

[mfl]

Hey, this is a DSG (VW's current equivalent to a slushbox) — it should get at least the same mileage or better, otherwise why change?

I agree, I thought one of the advantages was that the DSG, eliminated the variability of driver skill, when it came to wearing out clutches. While not expecting Toyota like mileages, I thought that 100,000k with regular maintenance was possible, before the clutches needed replacing... maybe not ?

[bazt]

Have had 3 occurrences of the false neutral thing since I got the car.
All 3 were at roundabouts turning left at low speeds.
MFD showed D2 but no drive.
Pushed the gear lever to the left and back and all was good.
Dealer said they checked but no errors found.

[CrimDub]

I recently bought a 09 model 90tsi (40,000km) and am experiencing the same shudder between the 1-2 gear shift. If it is indeed the clutch that needs replacing, will warranty cover this? I will get it checked out when I get the 45,000km service done.

Mine was replaced without question under warrantee and I have just cracked 40000 kms. Clutch should definitely last longer than that under normal driving conditions.