Revo Technik Software

[Timbo]

This has been discussed many times, and the general opinion is to differentiate the Golf R in the marketplace from the Audi S3. Audi is seen as the premium brand and as such needs to have an advantage in the power stakes.

From the specs I've seen, the Golf R has exactly the same output as the current 8P S3

[Stoney!]

This has been discussed many times, and the general opinion is to differentiate the Golf R in the marketplace from the Audi S3. Audi is seen as the premium brand and as such needs to have an advantage in the power stakes.

Yet its been stated in many articles that its de-tuned because its cooling system MAY not be up to the task...

Stoney!

[Corey_R]

Yeah but Stoney, no tests are showing this, and could you seriously imagine VW Australia saying in a press release "We've detuned the Golf R in Australia because we don't want to hurt the feelings of potential and future Audi S3 customers" ? hehe

[whiteVR6]

No. For the GTI it's only required for the Stage III kit. The same fuel pump (as the GTI) is used in the R/S3/TT-S. Their Stage I kit gives them 240kw/435nm and doesn't required the HPFP upgrade. A R/S3/TT-S Stage II+ kit requires the HPFP upgrade though.

@philthy - sorry mate, I forgot about the Nissan. But then, that's not hard for me cause I've never been a fan of any car they've made, lol

Its not the same fuel pump as a GTI . There are also several versions of fuel pumps for the GTI .

I likewise have the same concern about wear on the drivetrain, but I'm beginning to justify it on the grounds in day to day commuting I want the economy. Let's face it... that's one key reason why we bought the 118TSI in the first place.

The 7 speed DSG is a dry clutch set up and cant handle the same torque as the 6 speed DSG . Being a dry set up your going to feel the clutch slip .

Going up to 163 kw with a 1.4L 10:1 Compression engine (and I know it has DI) on pump fuel and high-ish ambient temperatures (compared to EU) is a fair sort of ask. And just because an engine has knock control does not guarantee that it won't detonate either. It has to knock before the knock control can respond, but with higher cylinder pressures (otherwise it wouldn't have the extra power at the same rpm) any detonation is going to be harder on the engine.

Running wideband the ecu also has a basic EGT sensor as well as intake air temperature sensors so the mapping is fairly accurate . Knock sensors are more of a precaution than a sensor thats constantly used

I don't know much about Revo, but I've done my research on APR, so I'll talk about them for a moment. They spend thousands of hours testing their ECUs (and other hardware), using their international dealer network, including Harding Performance up in QLD, to test cars delivered to several internation locations in the local conditions to ensure that they are safe and practical for every day use etc. Anyone that has looked at APR will know that Harding Performance are involved in 'new products' from the development phase, so you can be 100% sure that not only are these APR products safe, but they're safe in 40degree QLD heat.

Seb runs as Oettinger chip in his Seat and his frustration on the poor tuning is well known to me . Once it hits 35 degrees it starts pinging , the hotter it gets the worse it pings . Before the chip it never done this . Whats this got to do with APR ? APR apparently owns Oettinger . Should I also mention the fuel cuts that only really happened to APR cars ?

The other thing is, when Volkswagen decided to go into the 24 hours of Nurburgring with the Scirocco's, who did they turn to for performance parts? APR.
When VW needed a 300kw GTI show car for SEMA 2006, again APR.
When VW in Singapore needed to help move MKV GTI's towards the end of their life cycle, which company's ECU did they put on the cars as standard and covered the warranty for? APR.

So even Volkswagen themselves have confidence in APR and their products.

APR was the only one who made high pressure fuel pumps at the time and VW knew it was a problem .

VW also used HPA to build a car .

VW Mexico used Unitronic to tune their cars . Giac was also used in Singapore . Oettinger is used in Germany as well as ABT so this is nothing new .

Yet its been stated in many articles that its de-tuned because its cooling system MAY not be up to the task...

Stoney!

Thats right , VW learnt an expensive lesson in the late 90s with failures from T4 automatic transmissions . The cooling system of the T4 was not up to the task of the transmission and it led to premature failure of the transmissions . By the end of the life cylce of the T4 more automatic transmissions were replaced under warranty in Australia than everywhere else in the world combined . Since then Australia has received special attention to both tuning and extra additions to cooling eg MK4 R32 extra radiator . This is why tuning a car to the conditions is extremely important and if a tuner can release a tune in a short period of time after the car is released then the tune will probably need adjustements later down the track .

(must thank Seb for some of this info )

[Guy_H]

MK6 info (This is the MK6 forum right!)

APR Has built a 400hp MKVI for Volkswagen as their show car taken across the US:

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And are working on the new MKVI platform for the 2010 racecars:

http://www.goapr.com/media/photos/72157623352950244/

They certainly know the MKVI pretty well

Hope this adds some positives to this thread

[Corey_R]

Thanks Guy

[anthony_VWJET]

MK6 info (This is the MK6 forum right!)

APR Has built a 400hp MKVI for Volkswagen as their show car taken across the US:

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And are working on the new MKVI platform for the 2010 racecars:

http://www.goapr.com/media/photos/72157623352950244/

They certainly know the MKVI pretty well

Hope this adds some positives to this thread

Isnt this thread about Revo Technik Software not APR?

[G-rig]

Fairly impressive Guy..

Isnt this thread about Revo Technik Software not APR?

I think it was becoming a general discussion as to why AUS gets lower powered car and the tuning conditions etc & the gains that can be had.

[Corey_R]

It is - but people have come in here and said that ECU's and aftermarket hardware in general are dangerous and not worth it because the cars, particularly the MK6 GTI's new engine are not capable etc. There doesn't seem to be anyone that knows Revo Technik here, so the people who are willing to defend upgrades just happen to be APR customers or APR dealers etc

But since you bring it up - WHY isn't there anyone here who knows anything about Revo Technik? Where are the Revo Technik dealers etc?

[anthony_VWJET]

It is - but people have come in here and said that ECU's and aftermarket hardware in general are dangerous and not worth it because the cars, particularly the MK6 GTI's new engine are not capable etc. There doesn't seem to be anyone that knows Revo Technik here, so the people who are willing to defend upgrades just happen to be APR customers or APR dealers etc

But since you bring it up - WHY isn't there anyone here who knows anything about Revo Technik? Where are the Revo Technik dealers etc?

APR killed them and silenced them... LOL... im joking... gee have a sense of humour....

[Guy_H]

Isnt this thread about Revo Technik Software not APR?

True,

I just tried to keep it on topic as APR was mentioned.

White VR6 has posted several wrong things in her (or his) thread that need correcting (and have NOTHING to do with MKVI GTI's) - but we will leave that to the moderators.

FYI - at the top of the page - the FSI motor (Like the MKV) with the high pressure fuel pump driven from the exhaust cam, they are all the same in the transverse application. The GTI, Pirelli (ED30), S3, TT, TTS & Golf R all use exactly the same pump with the same volume. The APR hpfp has already been fitted to the new Golf R in Europe

[waterboy]

Well I posted the thread about Revo because that was the only chipping company I had heard of down here in Sydney, but thanks to many people posting replys and some added research I found that the APR tuning is more reliable and not as aggressive to the engine management system.

Revo is good but I do believe that APR is better.

The only place ive heard of that have Revo is Peak Performance in Parramatta.

Mighty Car Mods did a episode on Reflashing your ECU and they went to Peak Performance with their MK4 GTI and used the Revo Technik software for the chipping.

The final numbers were pretty good and the episode is pretty interesting to watch. Here's the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvvxMCUo5E

[philthy]

Well I posted the thread about Revo because that was the only chipping company I had heard of down here in Sydney, but thanks to many people posting replys and some added research I found that the APR tuning is more reliable and not as aggressive to the engine management system.

Revo is good but I do believe that APR is better.

The only place ive heard of that have Revo is Peak Performance in Parramatta.

Mighty Car Mods did a episode on Reflashing your ECU and they went to Peak Performance with their MK4 GTI and used the Revo Technik software for the chipping.

The final numbers were pretty good and the episode is pretty interesting to watch. Here's the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvvxMCUo5E

I don't see how a tune can be more reliable. Its a piece of software. All of the stage one tunes increase boost and fueling and advance the timing within the capabilities of the existing engine hardware.

Where is there any evidence of a Revo tune causing problems?

Its annoying that this garbage will pop up anytime someone does a search in future.

To be fair, I don't recall Guy ever claiming his software was 'more reliable' than anyone elses. It's just the fanboys.

[G-rig]

Well there isn't much info on the Revo tune in this thread anyway, but more reliable could also mean good customer after sales support and trouble shooting if necessary.

I wouldn't want to load a tune (whoever's it is) if it was too agressive or making the car less reliable than it is in stock mode.

[waterboy]

The numbers for the Revo reflash was an increase from 118kw to 163kw and torque from 240Nm to 320Nm. APR's numbers are 118 to 151Kw and 240Nm to 300Nm.

I'm simply saying that the APR's tuning isn't as aggressive as Revo's which gives me a little more reassurance.