Gear change speeds

[cktsi]

The 1.6 MK4 is a non-turbo right? (sorry, forgive me, my knowledge of the MK4 is not great). That's the speeds that I used to do with my previous NA cars. The 6 speed turbo VW's are different though. As stated above, upshift to 2nd ~20, and then 3rd 30, 4th 40, 5th 50, 6th 60 etc. That is literally what the DSG does for economy, so can't be too wrong

Not to mention the 2.0FSI is in a different league to the 1.6 NA. I've driven an auto 1.6 mk4 NA before as a VW loan car... lived with it for 3 weeks... the shift points definitely need to be higher than the 2.0 FSI or any turbo vehicle.

The 118TSI in particular has 200Nm of torque coming on at 1,200rpm (200nm is the max output of the 2.0 FSI )

[cme2c]

Not to mention the 2.0FSI is in a different league to the 1.6 NA. I've driven an auto 1.6 mk4 NA before as a VW loan car... lived with it for 3 weeks... the shift points definitely need to be higher than the 2.0 FSI or any turbo vehicle.

The 118TSI in particular has 200Nm of torque coming on at 1,200rpm (200nm is the max output of the 2.0 FSI )

Yes, it's amazing. When I contrast the 200Nm @1200rpm (and 240Nm 155-4500rpm!) in my wife's 118TSI with the 190Nm@ 4100 rpm in my NA 2.0l Peugeot 206GTi I'm gobsmacked. The Peugeot gets up and goes, as long as you have 3000 rpm up. (it is 250Kg lighter). When I get back into it, I think there is something wrong.

[guliver_twist]

Hi All,

I tried following the instructions in the PDF in regards to fuel economy, and shifted every 10 km/h 2nd at 20, 3rd at 30, 4th at 40, 5th at 50, 6th at 60... and to be honest was not happy....The car drove ok, but i just somehow felt like the engine was really labouring/(vibrating more than I felt comftorable with)....
Did the same thing but shifted a little higher... so 5th at 60 and found the car to perform much smoother....
doing a fair bit of highway driving and some start stop I found the average to be around low 6L /100km as according to the car display...

I also set my tires at 38PSI (I have the sports pack)...
Just my 5c....
Cheers!

[cube_3]

Yes the 1.6 is NA and is not in the class of the newer FSI and Turbo engines ... I mean the design is over 10 years old! Is still prefer changing a bit later as the ride feels smoother, less laboured and more invigorating. I drove a Subaru Liberty a couple years ago as a service loan car. It has a 2.5 NA engine I believe and its auto changed up to 5th by 50Km/h and it just felt so underpowered and "floaty". Each to their own I suppose.

[Corey_R]

Yes the 1.6 is NA and is not in the class of the newer FSI and Turbo engines ... I mean the design is over 10 years old! Is still prefer changing a bit later as the ride feels smoother, less laboured and more invigorating. I drove a Subaru Liberty a couple years ago as a service loan car. It has a 2.5 NA engine I believe and its auto changed up to 5th by 50Km/h and it just felt so underpowered and "floaty". Each to their own I suppose.

The thing is that you're still comparing apples to oranges. In my Golf GTI with the 2L Turbo, it never felt underpowered and floaty changing into 6th by 60km/h. Yet, like you've stated, almost any other car that would be a silly thing to do.
You should really go test drive one so you understand what everyone else is saying before trying to tell everyone that they're doing something wrong

[cktsi]

Reading all these posts made me realise I should restate my suggestion to Newtogolf another way.... if you experiment with different change points, you will soon figure out the revs that the engine falls to AFTER the gear change.

Anyone who owns a 118TSI would agree that at least 1,500 rpm AFTER a gear change will give you just enough performance for day to day suburban driving (in the gear you have shifted TO). 1500rpm happens to be around where max torque is occurring to give you the additional comfort you're not "stressing the engine"... so I say just shift at whatever point happens to give you at least 1,500rpm. That will give you the blend of economy & performance you are looking for.

I've noticed that shifting around 1,900rpm happens to give you this result - but it depends on each gear - but this is a general rule. Of course the rpm's you give will depend on situations such as whether your on a hill, whether you have momentum etc etc

For instance, if you're going downhill, 1,200 rpm is enough to get you going. If you're going uphill, you may want more than 1,500rpm to 'start' with (but I'm amazed that 1,500rpm is enough after a bit of experimentation).

Those who haven't driven an FSI based vehicle recently, you will be amazed at how responsive the engines are these days at low revs. My mk5 2.0 FSI was a revelation. A test drive will put a shock and grin on your face like countless mk5/mk6 owners with an FSI based engine (I'm including the turbo & TSI engines in this statement as they all use direct injection)

[cube_3]

The thing is that you're still comparing apples to oranges. In my Golf GTI with the 2L Turbo, it never felt underpowered and floaty changing into 6th by 60km/h. Yet, like you've stated, almost any other car that would be a silly thing to do.
You should really go test drive one so you understand what everyone else is saying before trying to tell everyone that they're doing something wrong

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying everyone else is doing it wrong, I just have not had the joy have driving the turbo's yet, and it just seems a strange concept in my life of only NA engine experience. Hopefully that will all change in the near future

[cme2c]

Reading all these posts made me realise I should restate my suggestion to Newtogolf another way.... if you experiment with different change points, you will soon figure out the revs that the engine falls to AFTER the gear change.

An excellent observation. When you put it that way, both the Golf and my Peugeot do the same thing in different ways. The DSG in the 118TSI as you say puts the engine at maximum torque AFTER the gear change. Similarly , if I change gear in my Peugeot at max power (5500 rpm approx) after the change it is at about 4000 (max torque 4100).