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  • DSG and lack of hill holder

    This isn't really an issue, just an observation of sorts...

    I never drove automatics until I came to Australia, some 11 years ago. I was offered a company car (Commo-friggin-dore Acclaim auto wagon) and learned to be lazy. I've changed cars a few time since, but somehow stuck to automatics. That type of transmission sort of suited my main kind of driving (Sydney morning and evening stop-and-go).

    Now I've got this Golf with DSG. During the first few kilometers it became apparent - this isn't an auto tranny. There is no torque converter to keep you steady while standing at slight climbs. With the DSG, you take your foot off the brake and it rolls backward. Unlike with a manual, where you can keep the car standing with the clutch, there is nothing you can do - apart from the hand brake, or being quick on the accelerator.

    I'm usually quick enough in the accelerator, even at the cost of making the wheels squeal every once in a while (something you don't do at my age without great embarrassment), and at steep hills I use the handbrake.

    It's just something I didn't anticipate to having to get used to... I wonder whether others have any clever techniques they use?

    I've tried the brake + heel on accelerator (as I remembered from my manual years) but the whole thing just locks up, refuses to play ball and requires the handbrake to be pulled and both pedals to be freed before coming to the game again...

    Cheers
    Steffen.

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    I noticed this too, says in the manual at inclines more than 5 degrees it has a hill hold function, but at less than that hey recommend using he handbrake.


    bit silly if u ask me and makes for some interesting lookers on, esp when doing parallel park on a slight gradient.


    i found too that reverse is pretty unpredictable.
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    • #3
      Ever tried left foot braking?
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      • #4
        That seems fairly obvious to me. You have two feet I presume LOL.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by datracer99 View Post
          Ever tried left foot braking?
          Thats not the point.
          One would think that with all the smarts in the car it would be able to prevent roll back

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          • #6
            Originally posted by datracer99 View Post
            Ever tried left foot braking?
            Yes, as I mentioned, it doesn't work. The accelerator completely disengages, and you have to pull the handbrake, take the feet off both pedals and start over.

            Cheers
            Steffen.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by steve_tdi View Post
              I noticed this too, says in the manual at inclines more than 5 degrees it has a hill hold function, but at less than that hey recommend using he handbrake.


              bit silly if u ask me and makes for some interesting lookers on, esp when doing parallel park on a slight gradient.


              i found too that reverse is pretty unpredictable.
              hill hold is an option. just use the handbrake you big girls
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              • #8
                nto to gloat but were are spoilt in the passat we get auto hold. vw should also put it in the golf, with the torque of the diesel at idle it has to be a reasonable hill to roll back.
                B6 Passat Wagon No KESSY

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by steve_tdi View Post
                  I noticed this too, says in the manual at inclines more than 5 degrees it has a hill hold function, but at less than that hey recommend using he handbrake.


                  bit silly if u ask me and makes for some interesting lookers on, esp when doing parallel park on a slight gradient.


                  i found too that reverse is pretty unpredictable.
                  Is parallel parking **** when on a gradient.??
                  I wonder ig the hill hold is a VAG COM'able option.???

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                  • #10
                    Isn't riding riding the clutch on an incline really bad for the transmission anyway.....Didn't think this was something you were supposed to do. Thought that was mainly the reason for having a handbrake (not just for handbrake turns )
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by datracer99 View Post
                      Ever tried left foot braking?
                      Can't use left foot braking on a car with DSG. As soon as the brake is engaged the power is cut to the engine automatically. As others have mentioned previous best bet would be to use the handbrake.
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                      • #12
                        As a DSG user for the last 3+ years, I have NEVER had any problems with hill starting or in traffic or parking... WHY? Because I have 2 feet and a gentle touch with your left toe on the brake while you GENTLY take up power with the accellerator is ALL YOU NEED! There is no need to get excited and aggressive, or there will (naturally) be some confusion in the DSG because it thinks you want to stop and go at the same time.

                        The DSG is well designed to take off smoothly and gently on hills using gentle momentary simultaneous brake/accelerator combo. In actual fact, if you are confident enough to trust it, it will take up the slack for you within a few inches of rolling back - the clutch drops smoothly and the car moves off smoothly just by taking your foot off the brake and moving it over to the accellerator and then gently pressing on..... give it a try - it works. If you are smart enough to drive a diesel with DSG, you dont even need any accellerator because the torque at idle is enough to take you up almost any hill. It will NOT stall and will not continue to roll back!

                        Incidentally, when parking and driving in carparks at low speed, the same goes - smooth and gentle is all the gearbox needs to get consistent signals from the driver - it gets grumpy (as we all do) if it gets mixed messages!!!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by briseos View Post
                          As a DSG user for the last 3+ years, I have NEVER had any problems with hill starting or in traffic or parking... WHY? Because I have 2 feet and a gentle touch with your left toe on the brake while you GENTLY take up power with the accellerator is ALL YOU NEED! There is no need to get excited and aggressive, or there will (naturally) be some confusion in the DSG because it thinks you want to stop and go at the same time.

                          The DSG is well designed to take off smoothly and gently on hills using gentle momentary simultaneous brake/accelerator combo. In actual fact, if you are confident enough to trust it, it will take up the slack for you within a few inches of rolling back - the clutch drops smoothly and the car moves off smoothly just by taking your foot off the brake and moving it over to the accellerator and then gently pressing on..... give it a try - it works. If you are smart enough to drive a diesel with DSG, you dont even need any accellerator because the torque at idle is enough to take you up almost any hill. It will NOT stall and will not continue to roll back!

                          Incidentally, when parking and driving in carparks at low speed, the same goes - smooth and gentle is all the gearbox needs to get consistent signals from the driver - it gets grumpy (as we all do) if it gets mixed messages!!!
                          Everything you wrote sounds fair and makes sense.
                          I'm just a bit unsure which left toe I should use.

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                          • #14
                            Use the right one!!!!
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                            • #15
                              I'm with briseos all the way, the only hill I will roll back is entry to our car park at work which is pretty steep, then use the auto hold function.. othewise the torque of the diesel at idle is more than enough..
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