Dead GTI....

[gtimk5]

Hey, just pull the cover off your bro's GTI and follow the wiring loom on a Mk5!!!
I am getting a new plug and some coil packs tomorrow, free of course and will tackle it then. I am thinking that I might be able to solder new terminals and fix it up as good as it new, better, I hope!!!

[anarchycamp]

That's no good at all Andrew.

VW & BM all seem to have coil pack trouble, even from the very early day's of individual coil pack's.

The BM one's would never do that though. The early one's would cook & split the plastic casing. Looked like no more gap's!

I don't reckon the wiring look would be that complicated to replace, just a pain in the arse. I hope that it hasn't done anymore damage further down the line like a ECU etc.

You haven't had any crazy rain down your way lately have you?

Extended warranty without question.

I've been told of a few people with the DSG's that come end of warantee, trade in time.

I'd hate to get a $17+K bill to replace & fit a new DSG!

Ummmm where did the 17k figure come from? Its expensive...but not that expensive.

[ozgriff]

I've heard that a new DSG installed is around $16,000. Which is on the far side of ridiculous.

I'm hoping it will come down in price considerably with the amount of cars with them.


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Hi everyone.

A group of us at the UK TT Forum (www.tt-forum.co.uk) have been having problems with our DSG.
One of the most common faults seems to be with the Mechatronic Control Module failing in the cars.
Symptoms of this include the car not being able to select any gears, or sticking in a particular gear.
A lucky few have had them replaced under warranty, but some have also then needed their gearboxes replaced at a later date.

You can watch a video of an 07 A3 experiencing the DSG problem here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cToGER1TEbs

I myself am currently in the process of forking out £661 towards the cost of my replacement control module, due to me finally getting Audi UK to contribute 60% towards the repair as a goodwill gesture, and my dealer doing the repair at “warranty price” (i.e. no VAT).
The normal dealer cost for parts and fitting is £1755.09
Incidentally, the cost of replacing the gearbox is approx. £5,000.

My fault occurred when doing an emergency stop from 30mph to avoid hitting two pheasants who decided to wander on to the road. The car lost all power and wouldn’t drive as it couldn’t select a gear.
If this had happened on a motorway, I could have been involved in a serious accident.

My car is an 04 plate, which is now 3 and a half years old, and has only covered 33,000 miles
According to Audi UK, my car is “old” and I should expect some electronic failures.
I paid £23,000 for my car, and have owned it for just over a year.
I don’t see why I should have to pay for what is obviously a defective electronic part that should last the life of the car.

Hundreds of TT owners have had problems with dashpods in older cars, which Audi were charging £700 to replace. A large number of the TT Forum member-base logged complaints with Watchdog, and we were successful in getting Audi to admit the parts were inadequate and to re-imburse those who had already had to pay for a new dashpod, as well as offering to replace dashpod failures free of charge in cars up to 5 years old.

We feel that there is a similar problem brewing with the DSG equipment that has been used not only in our TTs, but in a large number of cars across the VAG range.


If you have had a DSG related problem and have been made to pay for repairs, can you please log details of your problem with Watchdog on the link below.
Similarly, if you have had DSG problems which have been replaced under warranty, can you also please log details of your problem with Watchdog, letting them know that you are unhappy about the inconvenience this has caused, and are worried about the gearbox failing again in the near future.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/contact_index.shtml

The more people who register, the better chance we have of getting our money back and getting Audi to admit there is a problem with their DSG boxes.

I will post updates on any progress made to the following thread on the UK TT Forum:

http://www.tt-forum.co.uk/ttforumbbs/viewtopic.php?t=97168&highlight=

I will be posting this thread on various VAG related forums, and would really appreciate any help anyone can offer to help spread the word.

Thanks for reading.
Rogue
(tt-forum.co.uk)

[anarchycamp]

Bugger...stand corrected....

That is bordering on insanity and VW also stand to get a really bad rep if something costs that much to replace, potentially in a few years you might be paying the value of the car for a gearbox!! WTF?!!!

But as most new VW's are coming out with DSG (option) you would think the cost would substantially drop over the next few years as well.

[DaveMack]

Bad luck, Andrew. Hope the next one is better.

Dave

[gtimk5]

Thanks Dave. Sort of takes a bit of confidence out of it but it will be sorted out, hopefully today. I have pulled the wires out of the connecter and will have to solder new terminals into it. We will see how it goes....
It was the ignition, not the gearbox.

[bailey78]

Hi mate,

I'm only new to this forum so don't really know you, but all the best with your car mate - hope it all goes well for you...looks great in red.

Cheers

[gtimk5]

Thanks Bailey,
Waiting on parts which should be here shortly. If I havent said before, welcome to the forum mate. Its great to have you here.
I love my GTI, by far the best Golf I have owned, and I have owned a lot over the years!!!!
Cheers, Andrew

[graeme86]

Have you ever washed your engine?

Was the coilpack corroded down the metal plug shield?

This is usually where these problems start from the failures I have previously read about..

And on the question of the mechatronic unit in DSG's failing....gee who woould have thought putting an electronic module inside a hot gearbox housing would cause a problem?

[anarchycamp]

Have you ever washed your engine?

Was the coilpack corroded down the metal plug shield?

This is usually where these problems start from the failures I have previously read about..

And on the question of the mechatronic unit in DSG's failing....gee who woould have thought putting an electronic module inside a hot gearbox housing would cause a problem?

You have a point there mate! Im sure those crazy guys at VW thought there was some sense in it, we will see!

[VW Convert]

You have a point there mate! Im sure those crazy guys at VW thought there was some sense in it, we will see!

Ever heard of the saying "it seemed like a good idea at the time"?

Cheers

George

[gtimk5]

Graeme, I only wipe the covers under there mate, it never gets dirty. I service a hell of a lot of TDIs and GTIs and the only cleaners they see is where I do oil filters and sump plugs. The Mk5s all remain very clean under the bonnet it seems.
There was absolutely no corrosion or oil anywhere on the coil. It was an internal failure.
VW supplied the coil, and plug but cant supply the terminal to replace the burnt one. So its a dodgy repair for now while they figure their options!!!!
Cheers, Andrew

[Hilton_K]

Version A coils have had problems in the states but the guys over there are very happy with the d Version coils

[Splashalot]

Version A coils have had problems in the states but the guys over there are very happy with the d Version coils

I wonder which version coil pack is fitted to my 1-month old MY08 GTI?

SS

[VW Convert]

Version A coils have had problems in the states but the guys over there are very happy with the d Version coils

Any clues as to how we can tell which version is fitted to our cars?

Cheers

George