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  • Strange starting sound for 2007 Jetta TDI 2.0

    Got a 2007 Jetta diesel. when starting it sometimes give a initial tump x 2 and starts fine. VW notes it sometimes happen when engin is warm ????

    Mech says it might be starter motor ....

    any ideas ?

  • #2
    also just recently did a 75KKM service.

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    • #3
      If under warranty get VW to diagnose and repair properly. (If possible the starter motor maybe under warranty.)
      - Ben

      1961 Karmann Ghia Coupé - 1993 Golf Cabriolet - 2006 Golf Comfortline 1.9L TDI
      2008 Jetta 2.0L FSI

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      • #4
        just 2 months out of the 3 year warranty.

        VW wants $500 to check what is the issue. initial diag show no problem.

        Got to other mech, says its starter motor.

        it has a rum rum sound when starting. Just like when accelerating.

        will upload video later today..

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        • #5
          youtube link


          YouTube - VW Diesel Engin Starting

          thanks in advance

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          • #6
            Sounds like the starter solenoid sticking.

            I don't know exactly what the VW setup is, but if it has a floating plate contactor like the Denso's it may be
            an indication that the plate is almost burned out.

            If so, one day it just won't start at all. I had that happen to my Cressida (fortunately in the garage at home) just after the warranty ran out.

            I fitted a heavier duty plate (cost $5!) and it never happened again. Hardest part was getting the starter out and in again — that model Cressida was built by hanging a starter in mid-air and assembling the car around it.

            Might also be a dirty contact somewhere, but anyway either check it or get it checked before it sticks you up.

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            • #7
              Thanks, could not find anything on a VW floating plate ??

              is it in the solenoid ?

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              • #8
                Yes — as I said, I'm not familiar with how the VW starter does it, but on the Denso's (of which I've repaired quite a few, though not lately as I can't get under the things any more) there's a flat plate that's pushed forward by the solenoid that engages the pinion with the ring gear. You just dismantle the solenoid, drop the remains of old plate out, clean the two contacts, drop a new one in and re-assemble. If the starter's accessible, about 20 minutes work.

                How long a plate lasts depends on the number of starts — to make the hard-to-replace contacts last longer it's designed to be a sacrificial item and a bit more metal burns off every time the starter is used.

                When you actuate the starter a small current is fed to the motor — just enough to start it rotating slowly, and the solenoid is powered up, which pushes the starter's armature forward and engages the pinion. At the end of the stroke the floating plate is pushed hard against the two contacts and supplies full current to the motor — this is where the arcing occurs.

                When the engine fires and the key is released the solenoid shuts off and a spring returns the armature and pinion to the static position, in the process releasing the plate and cutting off motor power — since current flows until contact is broken further arcing usually occurs at this point.

                Whilst there are minor differences between brands, basically most starters now work this way.



                Probably you won't find VW listing the contactor as a part — there's more money in replacement solenoids and change-over starters...

                Note I'm only suggesting this as a possible cause because of the click at the start of your video — normally you don't hear one.
                Last edited by Idle; 19-01-2011, 06:56 PM. Reason: Link

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                • #9
                  Ide, thanks lots

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