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  • R32 v R

    Hey everyone. I can’t seem to find this topic and not sure if it should be in the MKV or MKVI section. Feel free to close this thread Mr Moderator if you deem it a "contentious" topic as you did my last thread.

    I took an R for a test drive today and would like to share some brief thoughts.

    I had the car for about 1 hour and drove over all varying types of roads. Back streets, freeways windy up hill roads etc.

    First thing - I found the internal finish cheap in comparison to the R32. The main dials especially. The big obvious numbers and clear glass does not have the same expensive look as the R32's smaller numbers and blue-ish glass finish. And that chequer plate metal look stuff is gone too. The MFD is obviously more advanced but not sure this is a big concern.

    As for the drive well, this thing is fast. Especially in the mid to redline but turbo lag is a big issue for me. Absolute deal breaker. The R32 has this thing covered hands down. It quite simple, when you pull up to a corner and there’s a gap you want to know that you can take it. In the R32 I just squeeze down and blam I’m already up to the car in front. This thing, holy crap, you just have to hang on for dear life watching the cars closing in your rear view mirror and then wammo your suddenly doing twice the limit. But for me here the game is already over. The salesman tried to tell me the R is smoother to drive than the R32. Ha what a crock! I suppose he has to say that doesn’t he?

    The car I drove had stock susp so I can’t comment on acc. But the ride was very bumpy. More so than my HPA KW SHS coilovers. I can only surmise that this is due in part to the weight of the R32 which brings me to the main reason I prefer the R32. The weight transfer thru corners. The R feels too light to me, too disconnected from the forces of gravity. It skips and bumps like a toy! I felt,like I was driving a giant remote controlled car. Don’t get me wrong, I totally get the R. VW have engineered this car well, it’s light, economical, powerful, quick, nimble and sounds great for a 4cyl. I can tell it’s very well balanced.

    I like my R32 for all its misgivings. Its more “Real” for want of a better word. You can feel the weight transfer thru corners, that’s the whole point when you’re driving, you want to feel what’s happening. Not sure if anyone will agree here. Depends what you’re looking for in a car I guess. The R is basically an expensive well engineered WRX! Whoops there I said it.

    In summary (and a very biased one I might add):

    R: Like playing a computer game. Fast, agile, lacks feel. It’s too perfect! – Good for the track. Exhaust note sounds cheap (compared to R32).

    R32: Organic - torquey - smooth – real driver’s car. Grand tourer that you can get at a reasonable price. Exhaust note is sublime.
    Last edited by thezoneR32; 03-09-2010, 06:01 PM.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by thezoneR32 View Post

    The R is basically an expensive well engineered WRX! Whoops there I said it.
    and thats a bad thing ? it's the main reason why i'm selling the wrx to get one, it's just as quick, handles as good and way more creature comforts.

    Thanks for the write up though, good to get people's opinion's who have driven the R.
    Last edited by Prodigy; 07-07-2010, 07:51 PM.
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    • #3
      Never driven either of them but If I had the money I'd think I'd rather get the R32 also. Looks better then the R in my opinion ( I think all the Mk5's do over the Mk6's ) and I just like the idea of stuffing a V6 in something small like the Golf. The R just seems to be like a done up GTi.
      2007 Black Magic VW Golf GT TDi, Latte Leather, Sunroof, Bluefin Superchip, 18" Detroits, APR lower torque arm insert, APR Carbon Fibre Cold Air Intake system, GTi sideskirts & front lip, R32 Rear Bar, GTi Steering wheel, RNS-510,Infinity BassLink Subwoofer,stubby antenna, R8 Oil Cap, Golf R front calipers, slotted front rotors, ceramic brake pads, LITEC LED tail-lights, Dension Gateway Five, Rear Emblem Reverse Camera, H&R Ultralow coil-overs, Badge-less front grille

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      • #4
        Back in 2007, I test drove an R32 and a GTI.... I couldn't stand the R32, so unbalanced, so front heavy, felt like a boat heading into and out of corners. So I bought a GTI. Now I'm waiting to receive my R. I like it for all the reasons that you've mentioned you dislike it (apart from the turbo lag which I don't find any issue with). I like the R for the fact that it IS lighter than an R32 (I think you need to drive some other cars to get perspective on the weight issue), and the fact that it's well balanced, and the fact it is so quick. If you actually went into the test drive open mindedly, you may have decided to use gears appropriate for the R, rather than for your R32 - in that case the turbo lag wouldn't have been anywhere near the issue you described.

        Best of all, since the R is so much better value than the R32, you can easily factor in $1695 for the APR Stage I ECU - in which case you have 239kw and 435NM of torque and the ability to do 0 to 100 in 4.68 seconds! Turbo lag? What turbo lag

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        • #5
          Originally posted by coreying View Post
          Best of all, since the R is so much better value than the R32, you can easily factor in $1695 for the APR Stage I ECU - in which case you have 239kw and 435NM of torque and the ability to do 0 to 100 in 4.68 seconds! Turbo lag? What turbo lag
          DOOD!!! these 2 lines could have just swayed me. i love the R32, and can appreciate the engineering on the R as well. I figured i'd be a perpetual fence sitter with splinters on this issue but the remap comment here (gold btw) might have done it.

          Although, regardless of any aftermarket exhaust - how can you ever get the narrow angle 6 sound? I'm biased, i am a Narrow Angle man for life i think.
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          • #6
            ah yes the e-penis is alive and well. Actually you could just strap a rocket to it and do 0-100 in 0.5 secs! That would make it a much better car to drive. The very though of driving around with that sort of power coming out of a 2 litre is just mind numingly stupid. There is a reason that all the euro car manufacturers put V8, V10 & V12 motors in their flagship cars. Bigger motors are more reliable and much more smoother the drive.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by thezoneR32 View Post
              There is a reason that all the euro car manufacturers put V8, V10 & V12 motors in their flagship cars. Bigger motors are more reliable and much more smoother the drive.
              No more of that goodness in Oz... Tree-huggers are killing the fun in everything!
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              • #8
                If I was gonna trade up now. I'd go for a second hand R36 over an R any day. Much better value.
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                • #9
                  Long live the V6.

                  The tree huggers have brought about the change to the R. It may well just be for the better, it certainly will ensure that the .:R lineage continues, and is able to be engineered to meet the ever increasing demands of the climate/fuel resource issues.

                  But, like the Eleanours, the Shelby's, the Cobras, the GT350 Monaros (HG), Phase 111 GTHOs, they all had their place in time and are still revered for what they showed the car industry could be achieved. In a small way...the .:R32 is all that as well.....only beaten by the tree huggers who cruelled it's emission specs, and forced VW to "dress up" the GTI.

                  Long live the V6.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thezoneR32 View Post
                    The very though of driving around with that sort of power coming out of a 2 litre is just mind numingly stupid.
                    Why? There are thousands of customers around the world that have been running around with a lot more than 239kw/435NM from this 2L engine for years now.

                    For example, Guy_H, a member here, and proprietor of Harding Performance, local distributor of your local R32 Haldex and APR modifications on your car. The daily driver of Guy_H has been an Audi S3 with Stage 3 upgrades giving him 315kW and 515NM with the same 2L engine - it's the same engine in the Golf R.

                    So before throwing around comments like "mind numbingly stupid", maybe you should look at the current industry landscape objectively, and also consider the hypocrisy of a saying it's ok to put an APR flash on your R32 but not put an APR flash on a GTI or R

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by coreying View Post
                      Why? There are thousands of customers around the world that have been running around with a lot more than 239kw/435NM from this 2L engine for years now.

                      For example, Guy_H, a member here, and proprietor of Harding Performance, local distributor of your local R32 Haldex and APR modifications on your car. The daily driver of Guy_H has been an Audi S3 with Stage 3 upgrades giving him 315kW and 515NM with the same 2L engine - it's the same engine in the Golf R.

                      So before throwing around comments like "mind numbingly stupid", maybe you should look at the current industry landscape objectively, and also consider the hypocrisy of a saying it's ok to put an APR flash on your R32 but not put an APR flash on a GTI or R
                      Why is every post you make an APR advertorial?
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                      • #12
                        It was in direct response to the comments made by thezoneR32 - who's every post is also an APR "advertorial" (via his sig)...

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                        • #13
                          I think the R32s will hold their values very well and become quite the collectible item in the future. The MkIV more so due to it's rarity, reputation and looks. We're already seeing this with their pricing not really changing over the last three years and the fact that the average price dipped as end of lease cars came on the market and then went back up again. However the MkV will be similar just because it is an R32 and has that engine. The GTIs and Rs maybe quicker and more dynamic due to their weight but they are and/or are going to be very very common and will never have that same aura that the R32 has (mainly because of the sound).
                          Long live the VR6.
                          My thoughts anyway.
                          Cheers,
                          Trent
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                          • #14
                            I agree with your comments Trent.

                            The sound of the V6 to me was the best thing of the MKV R32. I've never had the opportunity to be a driver (or passenger) in a MKIV R32 though, despite it being responsible for getting me interested in Volkswagens!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thezoneR32 View Post
                              If I was gonna trade up now. I'd go for a second hand R36 over an R any day. Much better value.
                              Werd up!
                              Good linear power, spacious interior and leather as standard.

                              I preferred the Mk4 R32 over all other golf's.
                              Then i would pick the Mk5 R32 as it just stood out for me and I too love the idea of a V6 in a small car.
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